Tommy, I just started watching your pod casts, I just finshed watching the bombe prospect construction, and really enjoying the whole thing.

I was wondering why you use yellow glue. I have been using hide glue for a long time and just recently had to use some yellow glue. And that stuff is the worst.

I was also thinking if you had used hide glue on the doubler you could have just removed it instead of having to route it out.

Just wondering...
-Tim

I have no experience with hide glue but I didn't realize that it could be used for structural pieces-only lighter things like veneers and banding? What kind of strength does it have? I have to imagine that if it was even close to that of yellow glue everyone would use it. Just wondered.

you know i should have used hide...but it takes so long to set up ..no??? at least that was my experience with it before....but your right...it is better than yellow....i guess i didnt have too much confidence using it plus nbss didnt insist on hide so i presumed they were equal in strength and longevity...

hey thanks for watching...are you interested in building project 2#.... it is gonna be fun....oh...and can you guys post some pictures of your work...we love seeing it around here....

Most folks dealing with antiques will tell you that hide glues have about a 100 yr life or more of bonding. This is based on older pieces being made with hide glue and having a known date of failure and repair of glued surfaces. Real hide glue (not the kind that comes in the bottle) requires a glue pot to melt at the correct temperature and is not as convient to use as yellow glue. One plus of hide glues is that you can easily break apart the bond with some simple chemistry if you have an oops moment.

Yellow glues have been in use for about 40 years. The chemists project that the glue will probably last at least as long as the hide glues, although we don't know for sure yet because pieces made with yellow glue haven't been around as long.

If you want to truly replicate a piece, then use the hide glue, although structurally yellow glue will achieve the same end product.

THere are some differences in the physical properties of the glues that may dictate one over the other. As pointed out above using hide glue in veneering will provide more benefits over time as it does have some flexibility the yellow glue does not have.

We have lots of choices in adhesives - so choose the one that has the best application and physical properties for the job you are doing.

good answer.....you guys always have great Q&A.i am sooo glad i never came out thinking i knew it all...that would have been a big mistake around these parts...

I don't find the set up time to be that long. I use a glue pot though not the bottled stuff. If I need more set up time I add more water and keep a heat gun handy.

It's great for jointing boards. I just put glue on the edge, rub them together and lean the boards against the wall no clamps needed. I've never had this joint fail in the 7 years I've been doing that.

I don't think strength is an issue for either type of glue because both are stronger than the wood.

I believe hide's biggest advantage is being able to reverse it. I have had to fix a few goofs, I just boil some water and paint the water on the joint. After a few min it comes apart.

On the old pieces I've seen the joints usually fail from 200 years of wood movement, and not the glue. I expect that will be true for yellow also.

AS far as the second project I may be intersted but I'm finshing 10 other things, Have a honey do list a mile long. And I'm starting a french chair. So If you make your second project a french chair I will definetly make it.

Anyway this is what I'm working on now, I hope to be finished by this winter. It's a reproduction of the Gratz highchest that's at Winterthur.

Beautiful piece. Did you get plans at Winterthur? I have been to the Winterthur website and seen the on-line catalog and "IseeDAPC" which is supposed to contain photo's. Have you used this and if so how?

Thnaks,

Jim

Has anybody ever used the Titebond Liquid Hide Glue? Does it even compare to REAL hide glue?!?! Also... how does it compare to the Titebond yellow glues.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=5336&TabSelect=Details


Andrew

Nice work! I have been wanting to check Winterthur out. I'll get there someday.


Andrew

I took a class at the Olde Mill Cabinet shop with Gene Landon to build this piece.

Winterthur guards thier furniture against people making reproductions. They license that out to a few shops as an income source. Gene is good friends with the curator, and has done lots of work for them, so they let him teach classes on building thier pieces.

I have made a few pieces before this one but this is my first carving.