Tommy & Eli,

The procedures for the Federal Table are somewhat unclear….the instructions for the layout of the apron mortises seems be intertwined with the lower divider mortises. What are the lengths for the upper and lower haunches for the aprons? How long is each of the tenons for the double tenons and how thick are the tenons of the aprons. Are the aprons and legs flush to each other, or is there a revel? If there is a revel, how much is the revel?

Does the lower divider have a shoulder all the way around or only on the top and bottom? What size is each of the mortises?

Not quite sure what your talking about on the upper divider with just lower the dado set and nick the bottom face of the dovetailed (top) divider. Will there be a shoulder on the below the dovetail?

Also here is component illustration for the different parts...some asked what a doubler and a kicker was

Chuck

I had my rails/aprons haunched 5/8" on top then about a 1 7/8" tenon then another 5/8" haunch in the middle, then a barefaced tenon on the bottom (so it goes haunch, tenon, haunch, tenon). Haunching on both sides works fine, as well. Generally, you just want to keep the tenons no wider than 4". So, with a 5" apron, 5/8" haunches on top and bottom would be good.

All the tenons, including the twin tenons, are 3/4" deep. This simplifies things on the mortiser, and makes the rails and dividers the same lengths (mmm, that's efficient). I believe our tenons are 1/4" thick with 1/4" shoulders on the inside and the outside. They are flush with the legs on the outside.

The lower divider is shouldered 1/4" on the inside and outside, same as the rails (more efficiency) but barefaced on the top and bottom. The mortises are 1/4" here as well.

The idea with all these repeated measurements is that all the mortises can be cut at the same time with one setup, and all the shoulders can be cut at the same time with one setup.

You're right about the upper divider. There is a small shoulder on the underside, about 1/16" is plenty. The purpose of this is to help align the shoulders when scribing the dovetail.

That illustration is awesome. It's exactly what we're doing.

Eli

NBSS Student

Not "exaclty" with the joinery, but, as far as the parts go, right on.

Eli

NBSS Student

Chuck,

That's a great pic... what book is that?

Whit

Hey chuck..... I have seen your work and have spoke to you several times..... Now I know you are more than capable of constructing a simple shaker nightstand ... No .... So what's up I think the procedure though maybe not being perfect is more than enough info to get this thing going.... Please give us a little slack.... This whole thing is being done on the fly and was intended to do some cool work together...... The list is just an out line not scripture..... If you have a better way or can help fill in the blanks .... That will be helpful.... Like on the stock list you cleaned up..... That illustration you posted is exactly what we are building.... Thanks that will be very helpful. ..... Don't forget to post your pictures of you and the begles progress... We are looking forward to seeing the legs and stuff..... Hey Eli thanks for straightening the list out..... Great job

i like the picture...but you guys can make your tenon bare face off the bottom and put a 1/2 -5/8 haunch in the middle....or not!! either way is cool....cant wait to show you the stringing and bellflowers!!!!

Tommy,

Your right I can and have cut mortises and tenons many different ways (chop them out with chisels, hollow mortiser, drill press, loose tenons...etc...), however, this is your project and I want to do it your way and the procedures were confusing and I am sure others less experienced students may have been confused. I want to learn Eli and your techniques, this journey of the Crazy Leg table is about learning new or different ways of completing a task, such as, joinery, veneering, techniques for cutting different designs, and embellishments. Ater all your the Master of this class, an I the student trying to do the understand the lesson.

Chuck

toooo shay.........mo-fo :-)

hehe...guys i am no master....i am just trying to get to the embellishments without too much trouble...i got a surprise for you....

Chuck, I can't read the descriptions. Can you upload a higher resolution picture or email it to me? I've tried changing my monitor settings, saving it and increasing the image size, playing with contrast and brightness but if there's something else I'd appreciate it.

Paul,

Not a problem, however, I need your e-mail address.

Chuck