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11/15/2006 02:36 AM |
LicensedWaterproofer |
http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Why_Foundations_Fail-Foundation-A2095.html
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superior walls |
02/17/2007 11:35 PM |
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We are building a home on the lake in south carolina. We have to build up 4.5 to 5 ft to be above the flood zone. So we decide to build up 10 feet so that we could use that space under the house garge and shop etc. I almost decided to use superior walls however after reading some of these post has me thinking other wise. What kind of basement would you use knowing all the pros and cons of each system. And for fyi purposes how much experience do you have years and if any with superior walls.
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Bulging and installs of Superior Walls |
02/19/2007 08:27 AM |
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1. Superior walls DOES NOT WARRANTY their product. The Cement Company is responsible for the product.
2. It took over 1 year for Superior Walls to acknowledge this.
3. Superior Walls says that the Bulging is USUALLY caused by the lack of support beams used when the concrete is poured. They are support the wall from below but (especially at windows) they often dont support the wall. They claim it is normal and that your walls are actually thicker in those spots...they also claim that concrete DOES flex.
4. The installer who did our house cut the lentils above the basement windows to prevent the windows from cracking. Thats OK with poured foundations but it is apparently a significant problem with superior walls because they have little "fudge factor" (I think of it as a truss vs stick built kind of thing).
5. Superior Walls STILL has not sent anyone out to look at the basement after 1 1/2 years and there are SUPERIOR WALLS foundations sitting bare without houses ever placed that have problems in South-Central NJ due to INSTALLER/CONCRETE issues.
6. SUPERIOR WALLS Sells a concept. They do not control or provide warranty. You need to have faith in locals for warranty and they can go in and out of business overnight---so much for a warranty |
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Superior Walls response |
02/19/2007 08:30 AM |
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Would McDonalds come out to investigate if a franchise was serving defective hamburgers. YOU BETTER BELEIVE IT! |
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Superior Walls |
02/19/2007 08:39 AM |
truewbil |
It may be that placing a concrete patio along the house caused weight that led to the basement walls flexing inward according to SUPERIOR WALLS.
With SUPERIOR WALLS, you have to block a minimum of a 4 foot by 4 foot section in each corner of the home and the placement of sill plate seams is crucial or the walls can fail. Also, the taller the basement, the more likely a SUPERIOR wall will fail. |
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No problem with Superior Walls |
02/19/2007 10:31 PM |
home02 |
As I posted before We have experiance no problems with our Superior Wall Basement.
The Local Franchise we dealt with Was Superior Walls of Ohio. They have been great,The Local Sale Rep. even made a follow-up Call a year later to see if we were still pleased with the product.
I can say our builder had plenty of experiance with the superior wall product and Installed the proper blocking, foundation drainage system and backfilling as per Superior Walls of Ohio specifications.
I question I have to ask is: Was the basement floor concrete placed after the first floor decking installed and before backfilling? Otherwise that could cause problems later as per Superior Walls of Ohio Specifications.
One last point I would use a precast basement wall system over a cast in place basement wall system because the consistency of concrete mix remains the same throught the pour and the concrete forms remain in place until the concrete has cured out enought to remove the forms without any damage to the concrete mix. Which does not always happen with a field constructed and placed concrete basement wall system. |
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Pouring concrete after 1st floor decking |
02/20/2007 08:31 AM |
truewbil |
We placed a modular home onto the superior walls. As far as poured vs superior walls, I think the concept is good but the SUPERIOR WALLS people have NO control over the concrete company or the Wall installer. In our case, the problem was with the installer. To prevent law suits, HE CLOSED HIS BUSINESS SO WE HAVE NO WARRANTY!!! (incidentally, within 2 months he installed superior walls in the home across the street under a different company name...a true insult to us...) |
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Bulging |
02/20/2007 08:35 AM |
truewbil |
SUPERIOR WALLS claims it is due to sagging of the insulation foam during pouring of the concrete. They are poured on "layed down" over the foam. It makes some sense. REM: SUPERIOR WALLS takes no responsibility for the quality of concrete used or for the installer. They do not warranty their products! |
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SUPERIOR WALLS |
02/20/2007 08:39 AM |
truewbil |
Consider this...(no matter what caused the problem....)
If your basement walls develope cracks and begin to break, would you rather have a "superior" cement wall 1.5 inchs thick resting on gravel; or a 6 inch thick poured cement wall that actually sits on a footing? |
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Superior Walls |
02/20/2007 07:49 PM |
home02 |
I all I can Say I'm Sorry to hear Your experiances with Superior Walls is horrible!!
In the Toledo, Ohio area which we reside, Superior Walls of Ohio manufactured the basement walls and also set the walls in Place.
One last thing in the 29 plus years of Highway construction and Engineering I Have Yet to see a POURED CEMENT WALL. |
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