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hokie88

08:10AM | 09/06/05
Member Since: 11/27/03
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My mother just paid a roofing contractor to fix a leak in her roof. She has a small front porch (about 8x8) whose roof was covered with rubber sheeting. She had a leak in the valley where the rubber met the shingles, and a contractor told her he could replace the rubber sheet with small shingles since the roof had enough slope to it. He did put on new shingles, although there is a soft spot in the roof as before so I'm guessing he did not replace any sheathing. He failed to give her a written estimate, and charged her $800 for two men for about 2 hours of work. This is a small city in a rural state (WV) and this seems excessive to me. Before I make any accusations, does this seem too high? He has a valid contractor's license, but his receipt did not break down materials and labor. My mother is 80, and unfortunately I was unaware that she was having the work done or I could have intervened....

Thanks for any help.

Piffin

01:10PM | 09/06/05
Member Since: 11/06/02
1281 lifetime posts
the price might or might not have been valid for the size of the job, but for the life of me, I cannot dream why he would shingle a spot that had rubber on it already. Sounds like he had no experience with rubber roofs whatsoever.

There is areason that roof had rubber instead of shingles, and I'm betting that it was too low slope for shingles. If it was any les than a 3/12 slope, I would be gathering information and documentation to sue him for fraud. That is the lowest slope regular asphalt shingles may be installed.

Excellence is its own reward!


hokie88

07:05PM | 09/07/05
Member Since: 11/27/03
28 lifetime posts
Thank you. Can you tell me what you mean by a 3/12? How do I measure this?

She had a completely new roof put on a few years ago, standard shingles, but at that time the roofer told he was putting rubber on the section over her porch because it was too flat for shingles. These new guys told her that they could put on smaller shingles, although they did not explain to her what difference this made.

After asking around, it appears they charged her about double the market. Plus, I have no idea if putting shingles on fixed the leak. There were no holes in the rubber, and the soft spot that I suspected was the problem was where the shingles and rubber met.

Thanks again for your help.

Piffin

07:30PM | 09/07/05
Member Since: 11/06/02
1281 lifetime posts
I think she had some hustlers there. they probably did more harm than good. Most of these small porches in that location are too flat for shingles. And there is no way that the size of the shingle has anything to do with it. That was nothing more than a lie. Those clowns should be prosecuted for fraud if all you havetold me is correct.

3/12 is a measure of pitch, or the steepness of the roof. It means that the roof rises vertically three inches for every 12" of horizontal run. if you had a 2' level with oine end on the roof, and the other setting high enough off the roof to have the bubble read level, that end would be atleast 6" above the roof surface to be adequate for shingles.

Excellence is its own reward!


hokie88

05:31AM | 09/08/05
Member Since: 11/27/03
28 lifetime posts
Thank you. I'll go over and measure that today. If the size of shingle is irrelevant, is there a particular method of putting them on that would make a difference in preventing or fixing a leak? Perhaps using an underlayment?

I have contacted the attorney general's office here today, but there is not much they can do to help. They said that can't regulate pricing (of course) so if she was willing to pay the price, then there's nothing they can do. Plus, the roofers said they'd put shingles on and that's what they did, so they can't claim they didn't do the work they promised to do. An expensive lesson, but I will educate myself as much as I can and file a complaint form anyway. I just hate it that they take advantage of older people, who are very trusting, and on a very limited income to boot. This stuff seems to happen a lot around here, unfortunately.

Thank you for your help in explaining some of this.

hokie88

06:09AM | 09/08/05
Member Since: 11/27/03
28 lifetime posts
It looks like the slope at the top of the porch is 2:12, and at the edge it is 1.5:12. No wonder the last roofer used rubber. Plus, at the valley where the leak is, it is so soft underneath the shingles that it actually has a depressed area, like a little well, that I'm sure will collect water. Ugh.
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