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attic woes

06:43PM | 11/16/02
Member Since: 11/15/02
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Are there any Code Requirements for laying plywood flooring for light storage in an attic area? Any requirements for handrails/guardrails?

I'm in California, where I installed this and am being sued for negligence as my X stepped off the flooring, through the drywall and fell 18 feet/broke her ankle. No insurance coverage as we are both named insureds on the policy.

After you stop laughing, I could use some suggestions and direction please.

Thanks.

attic woes

04:31AM | 11/19/02
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attic woes
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posted November 17, 2002 11:40 AM
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I installed plywood flooring in my attic, and after I was removed from my home following service for dissolution (divorce) my X was up there and stepped off the flooring, fell 18 feet, and broke her ankle. Guess what, I'm now being sued for negligence, stating that I failed to install appropriate handrails/guardrails to inhibit her fall. Yes, I'm in the lovely and letigious state of California.
Are there any code or safety requirements of this sort known for an attic area? I've search extensively, and can find none listed.

After you stop laughing, please offer comments, assistance if you can.

Thanks,


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Dennis H N.J.
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posted November 17, 2002 08:59 PM
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I don't think she has a leg to stand on! No pun intended!!
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attic woes
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posted November 17, 2002 11:18 PM
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Good one!
Anyone else?


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Bob Fleming
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posted November 18, 2002 01:22 AM
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Some thoughts, for what they are worth:
If there is a permanent stairway to the attic, fixed in place, the attic may be considered a second story. But since it was not finished by the builder, that would not likely hold water. At worst it could be called an unfinished bonus room.
If the only access is by a pull-down stairs or by ladder through a scuttle, then it is absolutely not a finished living space; strictly attic storage. Don't know of any codes that would apply in that case.
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posted November 18, 2002 11:07 AM
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geeze...and people ask me why i won't get married....
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<Bill-COn>
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posted November 18, 2002 12:16 PM
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Does she have a wooden leg, now?
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attic woes
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posted November 18, 2002 03:19 PM
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No wooden leg, but always a stone heart.
This was specifically an unfinished attic, accessable only by ladder through a bedroom closet access hatch.

While completing several internet searches, I've located lots of info and articles regarding attic flooring for storage. Several list advise regarding 4 X 8 sheets of plywood flooring being laid on top of joists for decking material in an attic, along with pull down access stairs. Another product by Racor called Attic Tracks shows installation of 2 X 2 plastic squares on top of joist for storage or an attic pathway.

Not one of these sites or instructions mention the need for railings, or even a caution.

My objective is to demonstrate that there was no negligence on my part, as negligence is defined legally as when a person fails to act like the standard "ordinary reasonable person".

If others know of books, plans instructions or websites demonstrating this type of project, I can use all the help I can get to show this is pretty much standard procedure for homeowner/DIY work.

Thanks!

(ps: The jokes are fine too)


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<FranS>
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posted November 18, 2002 03:22 PM
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didn't you also live there and walk around on the plywood with no problem. seems like ordinary normal person...
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posted November 18, 2002 05:01 PM
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....and somebody sued MCDONALDS for burning their mouth on coffee and won big.
Go figure.
No matter how right you are, she has a chance of winning because thats part of the sick society we live in. Everybody wants to blame everybody else for their own ignorance and nobody wants to take any responsibility for themselves. Its always someone elses fault.

I will NEVER understand why judges consider these ridiculous lawsuits. Any judge that does ought to be fired. We all pay for it and shame on all those who condone it.

They may be able to rob you of your money, but NEVER let them rob your peace.

Too bad a mouse didnt bite her up there.


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Bob Fleming
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posted November 18, 2002 11:17 PM
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Attic: I think you are ok because I have seen many attics in my career that have plywood laid on top of the joists, and nothing at all for a handrail. Typically no room for a handrail.
Good luck with the lawyers!
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posted November 19, 2002 12:48 AM
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More details learned:
Today I made contact with a local contractor that installs pull down attic stairs and up to 4 sheets of plywood for attic storage as a package deal, advertised in the local paper. He states that the project is not a permitted requirement, and therefore UBC (code) does not apply. In over 1000 installations of this type, he has never installed handrails. I hope to gain access to the residence, now owned by someone else, to have this guy do an inspection and write a report concerning the attic project.

More about the attic I did the work in: This was a very large custom home. The attic space was 16 feet high at it's peak, a massive area with 12" thick solid beams. I put plywood down in an area about 200 sq. ft. total. There were natural barriers on 3 sides of the platform. I only wish now I had run a 2 X 4 across the one open side.

Any additional comments or suggestions are appreciated.


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Just Bill
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posted November 19, 2002 06:56 AM
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It makes no difference wether she wins the case or loses, it will cost you time and money so she wins. That is the worst commentary on our society nowadays. Countersue for her willfully and wantonly damaging your house.
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posted November 19, 2002 08:58 AM
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nobody wins on these things...except the lawyers...any money available that would be beneficial to either party is lost in the legal fees...
i agree with Fran's first reply...


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attic woes
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posted November 19, 2002 10:27 AM
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Guys,
I could tell you stories you wouldn't believe regarding the Family Law system in California. I've had to defend myself against 4 attorney's now in that case, plus an Appeal which she filed, now pending, and then this Personal Injury Case. I'm in Pro Per (defending myself) as she's run me out of money. Two days before Christmas, I'll be in Court fighting over custody of my 2 young kids.

While I agree with all of your comments, let's not lose sight of the fact that what I really need is your suggestions and advice as to how to fight the negligence claim.

Please keep the suggestions comming in regards to the attic project.

Thanks,


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Randy Colin

10:48AM | 11/19/02
Member Since: 04/14/01
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atticwoes, here in Dupage County in Northern IL. there are minimal requirements if you have pulldown stairs installed. I too have a custom house with a huge attic. I told the builder that I wanted pull down stairs so I could use the attic as storage.He informed me that I would have to increase the size of my joists. The county has decided that anyone that installs pulldown stairs is going to use the area for storage, therefore requiring more support.

attic woes

11:33AM | 11/19/02
Member Since: 11/15/02
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Randy,

Thanks for your reply.

It appears that no code applies here locally as this was accessable on from a bedroom closet "hatch", and the decking was not installed as a permanent floor or walking surface. The attic is a service area only, and therefore the project was not a permitable requirement. (According to a local contractor who does this type of work regularly)

Any other suggestions or perspectives are appreciated!

Thanks!

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