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ACD

09:08AM | 04/07/04
Member Since: 10/15/02
359 lifetime posts
Bvbasement
OK here it is, nice spring weather, not a cloud in the sky, no rain for at least a week and suddenly I go downstairs and there is water in my basement, no where near any of the plumbing, nor anywhere near any of the 4 sump pits.

My basement has 2x2 stud walls with drywall, lots of mold from what we thought was overflow from the gutters getting over the sill. I ripped out all the drywall along the floor up about 2 feet, I do not see any wet spots on the wall anywhere, so Where the heck is it coming from? There was about 20 gallons of it and it got a lot of our boxes soaked.

homebild

03:09PM | 04/07/04
Member Since: 01/28/03
693 lifetime posts
Could be water from water table rises. Even though you didn't have any recent rain, if you live in a cold region you could have water table rising from melting ground ice.

Could be from a broken drain pipe. Check all drains from washing machines, baths, showers...

Could be a leak from a ruptured, but hidden pipe....

ACD

05:15AM | 04/08/04
Member Since: 10/15/02
359 lifetime posts
It is definately ground water, I can see rust streaks on the floor now that its dried that show the flow of the water.

Now what do I do to keep it dry? I have several rooms down there that I have to gut now and I dont want to put them all back until I know that there wont be anymore flooding. My son's room will eventually be right where the water was the deepest. Unfortunatly the area that flooded is a bit lower than the area around the sump that is 4 feet away. I always wondered why there was a sump in the middle of the basement floor under the stairs, now I know why. Too bad when they put it in they didnt know how to slope the floor towards it.

homebild

01:32PM | 04/08/04
Member Since: 01/28/03
693 lifetime posts
The sump may have been installed after the concrete had been poured, which would account for the fact it is higher than the basement floor in other places.

The best way to treat for basement problems associated with high water tables is to install french drains on the outside perimeter of the foundation. These drains will channel water away before it gets high enough to flood the basement.

The downside to this approach is that it means you will have to excavate the entire exterior foundation and is the most costly.

Short of that you can have an interior french drain system installed around the inside of the foundation under the concrete floor.

While not as costly as the exterior system, it may involved demolishing already framed walls in order to install the drains inside the basement that will lead to a better placed sump.


cellarwater

04:32AM | 04/09/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
175 lifetime posts
How long ago did you move into this house? Also I read 4?? Sump pits? Look into those pits; is there a drain pipe leading into these? If so you're in luck. there is a french/dutch drain under the floor. try snaking or jetting(ie:flush with garden hose)the pipes.How old is the house? Try a sump pump for kicks & e-back a reply. I'm intrested in this one. C.

devildog

05:13AM | 04/09/04
Member Since: 09/16/02
250 lifetime posts
It won't help your sump problems, but they sell a water alarm. It sits on the ground and when two contacts touch water it sounds an alarm. This would at least let you know when you have water coming in.

Good luck,

Devildog


ACD

02:16PM | 04/09/04
Member Since: 10/15/02
359 lifetime posts
Well it happened again, got more water in the basement, and the walls are dry, which now leads me to believe that it is definately coming up from underneath. THis house was built in the 60's and has been remodeled drastically and not with any type of permits issued due to it being on over 5 acres in the country. Needless to say, the basement has been altered. I see that there is evidence of new concrete work in some sections especially where this one useless sump pump is located, which happens to be under the stairs they installed in the middle of the basement, and they are not done to code either the treads are too short. I have a feeling I will have no choice but to open the floor on this one and put in the drains. The walls have to come out any way due to the thick layer of red and black mold.

Doing the exterior drains poses a problem, but would give me an excuse to get a new toy for my tractor ;) I lack the time to do the excavating and outside work, but at least the inside work I can do when I have time.

plumber Tom

03:45PM | 04/11/04
Member Since: 05/10/03
801 lifetime posts
If you do decide on a french drain, a lateral may help. Run a section of pipe from wall to wall connected with 2 tees. Any water that enters the pipe will be directed to the sump pit. Also if your soil has high iron concentration, one or two cleanouts like C mentioned are helpful to flush out with a garden hose.I have seen iron completely clog a 3" pipe. Best wishes, plumber Tom

ACD

06:50AM | 04/13/04
Member Since: 10/15/02
359 lifetime posts
If there are drains already in place( havent had time to look yet) that could be what has happened. I just am not looking forward to busting up another basement floor, did it once already in my last house.
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