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k2

04:27PM | 11/20/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Hey there Mr. Cellarwater!,

I'm still "thinking about" that pump for my crawl space--thanks for remembering--you have a great memory! (Actually I've been trying to forget about it, LOL!)

I went and looked at some pumps...but I still haven't done anything with it, as (#1) priorities!, and (#2) the circuit that I'd use down there has an open ground, and I havn't wanted to mess with troubleshooting at this point...

Thanks for asking, and, wow, is that some reddish-orange muck something or what? I kept wondering, what, is tomz71ss on the Love Canal or something? Not to make light of the problems out that way, but, wow, that red muck is something else.

I guess I should be careful; he might send some of that red stuff our way! Seems he "offered" to send some bags to me and TomH!...

BTW, seriously, I think tomz should become one of our moderators! He just might have what it takes! OK, so does cellarwater, for that matter. Is this a great forum or what!

Thanks again!

Regards,

-k2 in CO

Moderator, Miscellaneous Forum

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cellarwater

04:41PM | 11/20/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
178 lifetime posts
Too bad it isn't gold! I wonder what state he is in. I'm in Mass. I think once I saw some colored clay. May be that is the material they cast bricks out of?? Interesting. I have my name in Greg's office for a moderator. He's busy but informed me he'll contact me soon. It would be an honor to get that position. The late Plumber Tom was the first to refer me [ We knew each other's e-mail adresses] He was helpful to me. Bless him. C.

k2

06:11PM | 11/20/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Yea cellarwater!,

It would be great if you could join us (moderatorwise). We have a good time here (as I'm sure you know).

Yeah, good ol' Plumber Tom. I sure miss him around here. We all do...

Hopefully you'll get it (moderator). It's enjoyable, I think. You don't have to really devote any more time (as it's all volunteer, anyway). But you do get to know people better. I enjoy it quite a bit, even though I'm only moderator of the Misc Forum, as you probably know, I'm all over the place anyway!

You'd be a welcome addition, c! I'll put in the word with Greg as well. Take care.

Regards,

-k2 in CO

Moderator, Miscellaneous Forum

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tomz71ss

04:03AM | 11/21/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
well, no more digging today, have family things to do.

the beer did taste good though. and to answer your question, i'm located just outside of Syracuse NY.

ok, back to the subject, i'm concerned about digging the rest of this out, re-plumbing it and then dealing with the possibility of it all getting plugged up again. my main worry is due to the quantity of silt that finds it's way into the area. and i still don't quite get the logic behind how this was set up in the first place. like i said before, that one pipe just ended, and at the end was [is] just a pile of muck, and compounding that problem is the fact that my fuel oil tank is a foot or so away,[so i'm at the end of my dig in that direction] so if i get the 'trench' cleaned out and re-stoned, what do i do with the end of the pipe? or should i put my 'flush device' on the end of that pipe and have it come up thru the floor?

i'm also guessing that i need to continue the destruction all the way back to the sump hole [for peace of mind if nothing else], to make sure it is running downhill, probably do that after work monday. i'll put up a few more pic's after surgery so you can also see what i found.

thanks again folks,

t

cellarwater

05:48AM | 11/21/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
178 lifetime posts
You'll have a fresher mind when you come back to that project. Continue on as you described. & You'll be fine C.

tomh

07:34AM | 11/21/04
Member Since: 07/01/03
558 lifetime posts
If you replace the flexible tile with PVC drain pipe (3 or 4 -inch), the silt will not readily accumulate. You could also install a capped standpipe in the highest corner away from the sump. This could be periodiocally opened to flush the line. To prevent silt, consider installing a layer of landscape cloth on the bottom of the excavation. This is permeable to water, but will filter most sediments before it reaches the drain rock and drain tile.

Your idea to install a flush provision on the end of the pipe is excellent. Take a look at sanitary Tees or cleanouts that match the size of the drain pipe you install. The tee connects between two sections of drain pipe and has a long radius curve that you would install vertically. This would allow you to force water into the drain, and because of the long radius, would also allow the use of a snake.

Note that the pipe sections are held in place by the gravel and slab. They do not necessarily need to have glue welded joints. Most foundation drains are not glued to facilitate maintenance.

In terms of strategy here, prevention is better than dealing with the high water that causes the problem. Some form of exterior curtain drain or grading improvement seems to be in order to prevent water from reaching the foundation. Think about where water comes from. If you have a generally high water table, an interceptor drain and surface drainage will probably not help. In this case, dewater by dropping the sump invert to a lower elevation and create a cone of depression in your water table, below the footer. Punch out the base of the sump and dig it as deep as you can manually, backfill with 6-inches of drain rock and install your sump pump. Water will enter the sump from the ground as well as your perimeter drain. This should, in time, provide hydraulic gradient to the lowest point (sump) resulting in a lower water table under the house slab.

k2

08:01AM | 11/21/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
I've been several places where they make "Red Dirt Shirts" for sale to tourists. Just some t-shirts and some local red dirt!

Hmmmmm, a business opportunity, perhaps :) I don't think any place I've seen tops yours for quality of red color!

That's interesting, tomh, about flushing that drain line. We have a corrugated drain at the front of our house; I don't think it does much of anything. (It's outside, in the ground--nothing like the embedded-in-concrete adventure tomz is having). I sloped the ground further away (into a bit of a trench) and that seem to divert more run-off than the drain line. Just FWIW.

Regards,

-k2 in CO

Moderator, Miscellaneous Forum

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tomz71ss

02:12PM | 11/22/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
ok, i dug out a few more feet towards the sump pump hole tonight when i got home, and it looks like i have some uphill plumbing, enough so that i can actually see the difference in height from the 't' to where i have ended digging. to go any further, i need to move my washer and dryer, so i figure i'll have the wife do all the wash tomorrow while i'm at work, and then move those and continue my digging when i get home.

i think once i establish an actual continual downhill grade, i should be in good shape, then it's just a matter of putting it back together. with some luck, i'll have more destruction, err, progress pictures tomorrow night.

thanks again,

t

tomz71ss

02:18PM | 11/22/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
getting back to the water entry itself, i think we have a high water table [no one on the road has an actual 'dry' basement], and part of the old erie canal system is across the road from the place as well. the ironic part of this, is that the wall with the problem [or atleast where the problem ended up] is more or less shielded from most of the surface water [rain, snow melt, etc.], anyway, will have more info tomorrow.

t
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