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tomz71ss

05:11AM | 12/05/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
C, ya, for the last few feet i used a masonary blade. i used one for my initial cut when i first started this job, but then saw two pipes, so resulted to hammering it out, but i actually knew the general path of the pipe for the last part, and the floor was thicker as well. plus i needed to get the washer and dryer back in a useable position as well and didn't want to kill too much of the floor.

thanks again for the help so far folks, during the week i'm going to work on digging out the stone/muck and see how the water flows, and rig something up to clean the stone i take out. look for an update by next weekend [unless i find another suprise]

thanks,

t

cellarwater

06:44AM | 12/05/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
175 lifetime posts
Tom, I just had a flash of inspiration. How about a 5 gallon plastic bucket, and drill a bunch of 1/4" to 3/8" holes through it. Put the dirty stone in it then wash it with a hose. The buckets can be bought if you don't have one. Let me know how you make out. C.

tomz71ss

09:20AM | 12/12/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
well, i did some digging in the trench. the 'upper end' [where i first started this project] seems to be pretty much mud, it's hard to tell if there is even much drain rock in it at this point. it only took a few inches or so to get the 'red' muck out in a stretch of 3-4' of the run, now it's more or less sandy mud with some larger rocks here and there. at this point i would guess new drain rock is in order for this part. further down the line, right around the 't' i found, the sediment is much less, and looks like i can clean the rock from that point on towards the sump hole, cause it's actually coming out as dirty rock, rather than mud. also, as i was digging away on the beginning end, i found a few 'gurglers', spots where water was actually coming in under the footer. the water that's coming in in these spots is clear, so i have to figure the actual red sediment is coming in further down the line [i.e. where my fuel tank is located, the corner of the basement], so i'm thinking after winter i need to move my tank and hack up more floor.

now, seeing as i have struck mud, how far down should i dig? the 'finished' floor level is a few inches higher than footer the wall is built on, and in one section, i am at what i think is the bottom of the footer, where the mud is, how far down from this point should i go?

i must admit, i'm a bit overwhelmed at times as i look at this project, but also know if i keep at it, little by little i'll get it straightened out. i have finaly established a decent flow to the sump, so there is no more back-up/floor leakage, but in doing so i realise that i am also going to have to lower the sump hole as previously suggested because as things are now, the level that the water enters the hole coincides with the heigth of water needed to turn on the pump [submersible with a 'floating' on/off switch]. as previously suggested, lowering this area can only help in the long run.

i also noticed yesterday that i have an outdoor issue as well, which also goes along with some advice offered earlier. as you look at the front of my house, the wall i'm working near would be on your right, about six feet from the corner is a concrete 'apron' for a set of pre-cast steps, both of which are tilted, and butt up against the house/cellar wall. after some rain/snow, i had standing water against the cellar wall, so come spring time this will have to be addressed to cut down on water intrusion. the steps and pad in front of it are 'linked' to a narrow sidewalk type thing that end at my driveway, then runs along the driveway for maybe 20'. i'm thinking that since the driveway drains quite well [paved, and water runs to the end and into our 'ditch'], i'll hack out the steps/sidewalk, and re-pour the walk with an angle so it sends the water down the driveway. i was thinking of hanging rain gutters, but due to the amount of snow that builds up on this side of the house roof [wind blows from the back of the house, so the rear is clear usually] and the inevitable ice build up, i figure they'd get ripped off. but that is another project all together.

sorry to ramble on, but i thought i'd give an update on my progress so far, and what i found.

any further advice is much appreciated.

thanks again,

t

cellarwater

02:56PM | 12/12/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
175 lifetime posts
The crushed rock can be bought in bags in garden shop or you-know-hooseohs. Get the new 4inch 10 foot lenghths of swiss pipe there too. Forget that coily black stuff[like what was pulled out] it's tough to hold a grade with it. dig 4 inches below the bottom of the pipe all the way across the trench. Drop in the stone,level it place the pipe holes down on the stone, fill with stone to the top of the pipe leave 2 inches for cement. Make sure the pipe has a gradual grade up 1/8 inch per foot or so. Watch that the sump pump is clear of silt or it will clog, Does the other stand up pump work? Make sure in case you need it. C. [time for a beer! ;)]

tomz71ss

12:38PM | 12/13/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
ya, that other pump works, but as we drain the washer in that spot, the force of the washer water going into the hole used to mess up the float level all the time, so i went with the submersible with the 'floating' switch, this has worked out very well so far [as far as keeping the actual sump hole draining good].

looks like i'll keep digging along my trench, and after the holidays get some new pipe and rocks.

thanks again for all the help so far,

t

cellarwater

12:54PM | 12/13/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
175 lifetime posts
Ask Santa for the stone & pipe, or a gift card : ) C.

tomz71ss

12:51PM | 12/14/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
hahahahaha......or should that be hohohohoh?

tomz71ss

01:13PM | 12/28/04
Member Since: 11/13/04
90 lifetime posts
haven't done much since my last post, but, the water is now flowing nicely to the hole, and things are drying out [yippie].

i figure in another weeks time i'll have it all dug out and ready for materials.

just thought i'd post something so you guys knew i haven't fallen off the map [or drown in the cellar, haha].

look for some news in a week or so [with pic's].

thanks again for all the help so far,

t

cellarwater

02:06PM | 12/29/04
Member Since: 12/09/03
175 lifetime posts
I hope that you had a good Christmas!! It's too bad there's no icon with Santa or Rudolph or something. How was the egg nog? I was beginning to miss your basement saga! I'll be looking foward to more posts. It's good to know that the problem is getting solved. I'll check back. C.
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