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LicensedWaterproofer

12:44PM | 08/16/06
Member Since: 03/05/04
301 lifetime posts


look,thats it for providing you with attention. I`m freakin` tired from....WORKING! something you don`t know crap about! Yeah, its called doing the job, hands on, for decades and I am TIRED of weak minded,self interest NUT cases who have NO experience on this subject, they THINK they do but they do NOT! Hey, come up here to MI and spend a day or 2 with me `n my guys, i`ll PAY!!!!!!! C`mon, LEARN something....hands on for ONCE!

look man, if you can disprove what i`ve THOROUGHLY explained AND back then, take my azz to court and prove me wrong,go right ahead, ive been waiting a looong time.

listen, you and your SELF-interestadvertising-claims are in my 28+ years honest opinion, VERY misleading/untrue etc and you do this shtt in an effort to SELL your inside products.

i`m NOT assuming shtt ya nimrod. My opinions and EXPERTISE comes from....ahem, Hands on knowledge, yeah, doing the freakin` job for nearly 3 DECADES.

you have never done an exterior waterproofing job which, if what MOST people need, you are NOT an expert in basement waterproofing/foundations and have several BBB sutomer complaints in last 36 months, maybe more....huh. lolol, shtt, you go ahead and keep spewing your self-interest crap, you have as much right as i and others, problem is, you often LIE!

Have a wonderful,misleading day


SaniTred

01:14PM | 08/16/06
Member Since: 08/08/06
15 lifetime posts
As expected, you have yet to prove that Sani-Tred products do not perform precisely as advertised or not waterproof as advertised. You can’t disprove it, every square foot of the that is coated will be 100% sealed. That is its purpose. Of course unless you can prove that Sani-Tred products bubble, chip, peel, crack, delaminate . . .

Nor have you given 1 single reason how drains can stop moisture vapor drive. You can't. Snaking out drains doesn't dry up the earth.

LicensedWaterproofer

01:55PM | 08/16/06
Member Since: 03/05/04
301 lifetime posts


lolol, what a buncha crap. you must LOVE bs`ing the public, its all about the money for you, isnt it? huh?

why dont YOU speak about the OTHER LINKS i posted, i didnt write the stuff, Others did. are they full of crap?

go ahead, speak DIRECTLY to the other links, what Tim Carter says if one wants a DRY basement, what does he say?

what do OTHERS say/expalin about lateral & hydrostatic SOIL pressure and tree roots, huh?

here, ill make it EASY....does lateral `n hydrostatic soil pressure and/or tree roots cause basements wall(s) to CRACK, LEAK, BOW...etc? ...yes or no

do MOST basements LEAK/SEEP due to...cracks and other openings in basement walls and, ABOVE ground openings? ...yes or no

if one does NOT stop/prevent water-moisture from entering a basement wall, does it greatly Increase the chance for MOLD to grow? yes or no

shtt, look, DO YOUR inside PRODUCTS Stop/prevent water/moisture from ENTERING the OUTSIDE of Basement Walls? yes or no

how about radon gas, insects....will applying YOUR Inside products stop/prevent radon `n insects that do INDEED ENTER cracks and other openings on the outside of house? yes or no

if a homeowner uses YOUR products, can they in ANY way lessen/relieve lateral or hydrostatic SOIL pressure & tree roots which,cause MANY basement walls to crack, leak, bow? .... yes or no


SaniTred

01:23PM | 08/18/06
Member Since: 08/08/06
15 lifetime posts
Do drains, sump pits, pumps, battery backups, dehumidifiers, gutters, downspouts or landscaping dry the earth underneath or surrounding any home in order to stop moisture vapor drive throughout any portion of a below grade foundation floor?

Statistic - Many studies have been performed throughout decades and surprisingly result in approx 2-3 liters of moisture permeates through walls and floors per day in the average size home due to moisture vapor drive. Depending on the time of year and water table. Look it up.

do MOST basements LEAK/SEEP due to...cracks and other openings in basement walls

- YES of course. Sani-Tred products can be applied to seal any joint, seam, crack, hole, patch rough areas and all surfaces.

and, ABOVE ground openings?

- YES, above ground openings can be sealed as well. You’re a tricky misleading one, so be specific.

if one does NOT stop/prevent water-moisture from entering a basement wall, does it greatly Increase the chance for MOLD to grow?

- NO considering most all (basement waterproofing related) mold problems occur on the interior of basements due to water/moisture permeating THROUGH walls, floors, joints, seams, cracks and holes which raise the basement’s humidity and causes mold to grow.

- There are many other sources resulting in high humidity that are not related to basement waterproofing (leaky plumbing, sump pits, aquariums, house plants, improperly installed dryer vents, etc…). You wouldn’t claim that exterior drains and gravel solves these would you?

- If anyone wanted to coat the exterior, it’s a free country. Do you think that not one single customer chose to apply Sani-Tred products to the exterior? Don’t think that it hasn’t been done before, but in good conscience we MUST inform them that by coating the exterior even with interior drains, exterior drains, gravel, dehumidifiers …. they will not be able to stop moisture vapor drive throughout any portion of the floor.

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DO YOUR inside PRODUCTS Stop/prevent water/moisture from ENTERING the OUTSIDE of Basement Walls?

- YES if one chooses to apply Sani-Tred products to the exterior. The point is that exterior coatings DO NOT STOP water from entering anywhere else other than the exterior of the wall which CAN NOT guarantee that the entire basement will be sealed. Exterior treatments leave all floors susceptible to moisture vapor drive and radon. Sani-Tred products waterproof multi-million gallon tanks above or below grade. Sani-Tred products have been applied to the interior of municipal manholes, some over 15’ below grade. Used in nuclear plants up to 10 stories below grade! Try as you might, it can not be refuted.

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how about radon gas, insects....will applying YOUR Inside products stop/prevent radon `n insects that do INDEED ENTER cracks and other openings on the outside of house?

- YES if one chooses to apply Sani-Tred products to the exterior. The point is that exterior coatings DO NOT STOP water or radon from entering anywhere else other than the exterior of the wall which CAN NOT guarantee that the entire basement will be sealed. Exterior treatments leave all floors susceptible to moisture vapor drive and radon.

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- In over 2 decades not one single person has ever reported that termites or any other insect has eaten or burrowed through Sani-Tred products. There are hundreds of thousands of sq’ of wood surfaces alone that are permanently sealed using Sani-Tred products. Thanks to ‘LicensedWaterproofer’ I think we’ll have our products tested for the most tenacious species of insects. Perhaps a special formulation if necessary. Of course it goes without saying that the home may be ‘bug-proofed’ from the exterior, but not 100% waterproof ... Thank you ‘LicensedWaterproofer’ for inspiring us to offer yet another solution to a bug – I mean BIG problem.

- You forget that Sani-Tred products are used for ANY waterproofing needs and are rated for even vehicle traffic.

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- Sorry but nothing stops radon from entering “on the outside of house”. You can get a radon reading in Wal-Mart parking lot. Radon can also enter through tap water. Everyone’s concern is to keep radon below safe levels and the most effective method is by not letting it in. That’s why Sani-Tred products can be used to shield out problem radon throughout 100% of the basement.

does lateral `n hydrostatic soil pressure and/or tree roots cause basements wall(s) to CRACK, LEAK, BOW...etc? if a homeowner uses YOUR products, can they in ANY way lessen/relieve lateral or hydrostatic SOIL pressure & tree roots which,cause MANY basement walls to crack, leak, bow?

- Are you insinuating that we claim to stop the earth from moving or repel roots in any fashion? Grow up…we’ve been over this many times.

You sought out do disprove Sani-Tred’s claims and performance. You can’t. We claim how the products perform and the products perform as we claim. Sani-Tred products will never bubble, chip, peel, crack, delaminate or leak for the life of the structure. Sani-Tred products will never allow water, moisture, vapor or problem radon to enter. You call that misleading? For once a product performs as stated! Nope, not brittle like an egg shell. Sani-Tred products are not cementicious. Sani-Tred products are not paint. Sani-Tred products permanently adhere, deep penetrating, tough as a truck tire, 600% elongation and absolutely permanent.


LicensedWaterproofer

02:41AM | 08/19/06
Member Since: 03/05/04
301 lifetime posts


Oh....NOW You say, "IF" Sanitred products are applied on the.......OUTSIDE-EXTERIOR, of the basement wall.

NOT INSIDE!!!

Well guess what....the products we/others have been using on the Outside/Exterior work just fine, matter of Fact, its been Over 25 years, No bbb customer complaints,EVER, unlike others,especially Inside Co`s who have 10,20,40,50++ bbb complaints just in the last 36 Months.

YOU grow up fool, lol. YOUR CLAIM(s)#4 talks about....Sanitreds ability to hold back hydrostatic pressure, Hahaha!

THE Pressure against a wall is, the Soil and, when the soil becomes saturated with WATER.....so, applying your products will NOT relieve/lessen/prevent this Outside soil pressure or tree roots. Geez, gotta get rid off the SOIL and/or Roots, hello?

MOLD--- YOU answered NO to, "If one does not stop/prevent water-moisture from entering a basement wall, does it greatly increase the chance for Mold to grow?

NO huh? lol Mold can and does grow on Basement walls and if OFTEN there due to water-moisture entering the basement wall through cracks `n other openings on the outside.

You have to stop/prevent/eliminate this water-moisture from Entering to stop/eliminate Mold from growing on walls, and many have drywall/paneling up and have no idea whats growing behind em. What shape the basement walls are in.

Wrong answer Mr Sanit. Sheesh, did you bother to Read and Understand the Mold-Articles posted? They all say one must Stop/Prevent/Elimiante the water/moisture to stop/eliminate Mold.

Anyone with humidity problem does Not need to apply your products of others on inside to help with humidity for pete sake.

and i`ve layed out the problem(s) that some have Under the Floor, what is it you do Not get?

Are YOU saying that any homeowner who has/most likely has a BLOCKAGE Under the floor should apply your products to floor instead of....trying to free the blockage by snaking through storm trap etc? Huh?

And for those who live in areas below sea-level like New Orleans etc, and with heavy/long rains may get water/moisture coming up through floor cracks/other openings in floor, are YOU saying they should apply your products Instead of, installing a sump pump(s)?

disprove Claims? i already DID! lololol

YOU and others who advertise need to clarify and SUBSTANTIATE such claims, YOU and others should be Much more clear about what your products can and can`t do.


SaniTred

05:21AM | 08/21/06
Member Since: 08/08/06
15 lifetime posts
‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“Oh....NOW You say, "IF" Sanitred products are applied on the.......OUTSIDE-EXTERIOR”

- Yes, if. One can apply anything on the exterior if they WANT to. Exterior coatings even with drains does not make the rest of the foundation waterproof. Does it?

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‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“YOUR CLAIM(s)#4 talks about....Sanitreds ability to hold back hydrostatic pressure, Hahaha!”

- What about it? Yes, ‘negative hydrostatic pressure’. In order for any product to remain permanently adhered in any circumstance it must withstand more negative hydrostatic pressure than can possibly occur. It must be able to permanently withstand moisture vapor drive. Unless you have specific proof that Sani-Tred products DO NOT do so … then you have absolutely no idea what you are saying. Do you?

- You are absolutely wrong. Every home does not ‘suffer’ from soil pressure, bowing in walls etc… As a matter of fact, not everyone has trees. Not everyone has termites. Most foundations do not have walls bowing in. You are wrong and most all home owners would agree.

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

"If one does not stop/prevent water-moisture from entering a basement wall, does it greatly increase the chance for Mold to grow?” You have to stop/prevent/eliminate this water-moisture from Entering to stop/eliminate Mold from growing on walls.

- Like I said, if a basement doesn’t see water, moisture or vapor drive because it is 100% sealed; no mold can grow. This obviously excludes other sources of moisture that are not basement waterproofing related. How can you misunderstand or misinterpret that?

- Are you actually saying that mold can grow between the substrate and Sani-Tred products which have a deep penetrated and permanent adherence with the substrate? Is that what you are trying to say?

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“Mold can and does grow on Basement walls and if OFTEN there due to water-moisture entering the basement wall through cracks `n other openings on the outside.”

- You forget Sani-Tred seals basements entirely. No water/moisture … no mold. It’s that simple. That is common sense.

- You can’t seal ALL basement surfaces from the exterior.

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- Don’t forget, also moisture vapor drive due to the presence of moisture or negative hydrostatic pressure (if present).

- Don’t forget about FLOORS. Floors are a major source for water and/or moisture. Oh yeah, you don’t want to talk about floors. Regardless it a major source which you never admit.

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“Anyone with humidity problem does Not need to apply your products of others on inside to help with humidity for pete sake.”

- Are you saying that humidity is OK and no one needs to stop it from coming in? Honestly, I’ve never heard such nonsense aside from your statement that snaking out drains will stop moisture from permeating through floors. Drains do not stop moisture.

- Do you actually tell your customers that dehumidifiers will stop moisture from coming through their walls and floors or in any way ‘solve the problem’?

- Do you actually believe that such an expensive prospect as installing drains under the floor, a sump pit, sump pump and all the bells & whistles will actually STOP moisture vapor drive? You actually tell people that? On top of that they MUST install exterior drains for all the reasons that most likely will not occur.

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“many have drywall/paneling up and have no idea whats growing behind em.”

- BINGO!!! You hit the nail right on the head! Can you think of any better reason to WATERPROOF a basement? Simply to eliminate the possibility of unnecessary things like that from EVER happening or happen AGAIN. Most people understand this basic concept and do what is necessary in order to protect the most valuable material investment/asset the foundation of their home.

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

“and i`ve layed out the problem(s) that some have Under the Floor”

- Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you ONLY say that one should have their drains “under the floor” snaked out?

- Not everyone has drains under their floor and even if they did, drains (external or interior) do not stop moisture vapor drive which is a major source for water/moisture. If you don’t know this, don’t believe me, look it up or you are seriously misrepresenting yourself as a ‘waterproofer’.

‘LicensedWaterproofer’ States:

Are YOU saying that any homeowner who has/most likely has a BLOCKAGE Under the floor should apply your products to floor instead of....trying to free the blockage by snaking through storm trap etc? Huh?

- Sure, snake out the drains then do yourself a favor and do a ‘moisture vapor test’ and prove to yourself the limitations of the drain. Do you honestly believe that snaking out the drains will in some way STOP moisture vapor drive?

- Homeowners should be informed that DRAINS DO NOT ‘waterproof’ and merely attempt to reduce standing water. You know it and I know it, however it is obvious that only your pride keeps you from admitting this even though it is a natural certainty.

- We see this every day that is why Sani-Tred products are used. It’s very unfortunate we have to solve the problem typically AFTER the home owner has already shelled out for the drains. They hear your similar jargon and shell out for it. After it doesn’t perform as they believed it should at a fraction of the cost Sani-Tred perfectly seals all surfaces with the added bonus of never having a radon problem.

Do drains whether exterior and/or under the floor eliminate the possibility of 100% of all water, moisture and vapor drive (this question excludes the possibility of drain clog in every way and assumes that the said drains always remain functioning)? This is not a trick question.


LicensedWaterproofer

08:44AM | 08/21/06
Member Since: 03/05/04
301 lifetime posts


what a complete fool...

your dumb but staes "One can apply anything on the exterior if they want to.Exterior coatings even with drains does not make the rest of the foundation waterproof,does it?" D U H!

MOST Basements leak/seep due to/because of cracks & other openings in basement walls & above basement walls,period. 90% of peoples problems are due to OUTSIDE carcks `n other dang openings that allow water/moisture,radon gas,insects etc to....ENTER the basement/the house fool.

To stop/prevent mold `n efflorescence on basement walls that is due to water/moisture that is entering through the walls one must eliminate the water/moisture, hello? This is done by sealing/waterproofing the cracks and, backfilling w/ peastone LESSENS/RELIEVES lateral `n hydrostatic soil pressure AND roots from trees that can grow along-against walls. Tuckpointing,caulking any other openings in mortar joints,around doors,windows,flashings etc is part of the equation in....stopping water from entering a house....duh.

Ya see Mr Sani, MOST Basement Walls are ONLY--At Best, Damproofed on the outside or parged, they are NOT Waterproofed! Since they are Only damproofed when soil COMPACTS after house is built it applies PRESSURE against basements walls, Can cause cracks in the walls and again, the walls were ONLY damproofed, thats why they freakin` LEAK.

Other times when builder,equipment operator backfills the SAME soil excavated from site Against the walls, it causes PRESSURE against walls and can cause cracks. Most do NOT backfill w/Most-ALL peastone...peastone provides the LEAST pressure on the outside of walls AND allows immediate drainage along entire depth of wall, you don`t understand this cause you`ve never done the work, or mAYBE YA DID ONE-TWO JOBS and couldn`t handle that kind of difficult-labor, ya wimped out huh?

Over & over and YOU don`t get it, understand basement waterproofing do you? NO!! lol

screw yer self interst photo bucket, how ya like that. You CANNOT play mind games with a real PRO, got milk? Not here, not in Any Court at anytime,sorry `Tred-head.

Hydrostatic soil pressure applies TONS of force per sq foot agianst basement walls so, YOU PROVE to the public just how it supposedly is that by applying your products on Inside of basement wall will stop That kinda FORCE that is Outside, go ahead.

MANY more homes than YOU 'think-assume' have cracks in basement walls caused from Outside soil pressure or tree roots and DUH, one has to go Outside to help lessen/relieve it, NOT Inside by applying some bs product on wall. COMMON SENSE!

Most homeowners would agree with YOU? hahahhaahhaahaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahhhah, ok tough guy, if You say so, must be true.

You do NOT read what i`ve stated, you MUST re-word what i have said to TRY and make your goofball self-interest points

Hey, why don`t we go to COURT, where you can try and prove-substantiate every CLAIM you try `n make here and in your advertising...lets go lets go lets go!

your CLAIMS really stink, to try and bs people for self-gain is imo, criminal! You should state whats true and what homeowners need, ALL the Facts, re-word your advertising shtt or be held liable, how ya like that? tell me plz......court,court,court......


SaniTred

12:27PM | 08/21/06
Member Since: 08/08/06
15 lifetime posts
You should not be so confident about things you obviously know nothing about. It destroys any shred of credibility you may have possessed.

I’ve been trying to get you to OPENLY ANSWER 1 single solitary question and you have still not directly answered it to anyone’s satisfaction.

??????? Do ANY exterior wall coatings plus drain or drains whether exterior and/or under the floor eliminate the possibility of 100% of all water, moisture and vapor drive (this question excludes the possibility of drain clog in every way and assumes that the said drains always remain functioning)? This is not a trick question.

LicensedWaterproofer States:

“MOST Basements leak/seep due to/because of cracks & other openings in basement walls & ABOVE basement walls,period.”

- You’re saying 90% of basements leak from ‘above grade’ and exterior cracks. You’re funny! I hope you’re joking. I’d love to be there when you’re standing inside of someone’s wet basement while you say “Your basements leaks/seeps due to/because of cracks & other openings in basement walls & above basement walls,period”. You actually tell people that?

- Most, if not all basement leaks are located where the wall meets the floor and/or other joints, seams, cracks and holes. General dampness occurs usually surrounding the above mentioned locations or just anywhere throughout the walls or floor due to moisture vapor drive or negative hydrostatic pressure.

- Sure YOU may be able to reduce standing water from around a home, but this can not waterproof 100% of any basement.

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LicensedWaterproofer States:

“To stop/prevent mold `n efflorescence on basement walls that is due to water/moisture that is entering through the walls ….. This is done by sealing/waterproofing the cracks and, backfilling w/ peastone … Tuckpointing,caulking any other openings in mortar joints,around doors,windows,flashings etc is part of the equation in....stopping water from entering a house”

- That ONLY seals the walls and WILL NOT guarantee that any other portion of any foundation is waterproof. That is unless you want to MISLEAD by using word trickery … “Ma’am your basement is now ‘waterproof’”… but you didn’t say moisture-proof and vapor-proof.

- This is exactly the type of misleading JARGON I keep referring to. Do you even know what efflorescence is?

- Efflorescence is mineral deposits left behind AFTER water/moisture has already passed completely through the wall or floor and dries.

- Sani-Tred products seal 100% of the substrate. Walls, floors, joints, seams, cracks, and holes. No water, moisture, vapor or problem radon = no water, moisture, vapor, EFFLORESCENCE, mold, mildew, or problem radon. This is WATERPROOFING by the true definition of the word. This can not be misinterpreted in any way.

- Are you trying to say that mold can grow and efflorescence will appear beneath Sani-Tred products which have a deep penetrated permanent adherence to the substrate and perfectly waterproof?

- Are you trying to say that mold can somehow occur due to leakage even though there is no possibility of leakage once all surfaces are sealed?

- What are you trying to say? You’re not one of those drain guys that try to tell people that water/moisture dissolves concrete are you?

LicensedWaterproofer States:

MOST Basement Walls are ONLY--At Best, Damproofed on the outside or parged, they are NOT Waterproofed!

- Of course! BINGO. Hense the purpose of WATERPROOFING. You can not seal 100% of any foundation from the exterior. This is where YOU are misleading. We on the other hand do not mislead in the slightest.

I can tell that you like to say that our “claims” have no validity, but you still haven’t even come close to disproving ANY of them. Not one. Instead you make countless silly statements like:

* your CLAIMS really stink

* why don`t we go to COURT

* ......court,court,court......

Are you capable of trying, at the very least, to make yourself sound like a professional? Throughout many many pages of your JARGON will you please focus and at least TRY TO PROVE SOMETHING? Your silly statements are ridiculous, unintelligent, and immaterial. They are of no use to anyone and what should be most important, they do not add to your credibility.

You keep beating around the bush with ridiculous statements regarding our system without a SHRED of anything that could be considered proof; meanwhile I have had your system perfectly pegged from the beginning. I know that this is the reason for your agitation and your contempt.


LicensedWaterproofer

12:52PM | 08/21/06
Member Since: 03/05/04
301 lifetime posts


last reply from here, if people want to buy your products then so be it.

i am extremely confident due to decades of hands on experience, seeing how `n where water,radon etc enters. Right up close views of cracks in basement walls, bowing basement walls, yeah,i can stick my hand in many of these cracks and your gonna sit there and tell me otherwise? haha!

YOUR advertising is misleading and imo you could give less than 2 shtts who you mislead. turn out the lights the party`s over.
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