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Winterchase

03:08AM | 09/10/06
Member Since: 09/09/06
6 lifetime posts
Bvhvac
My basement, which is being converted into an apartment, already has a ceiling, but no insulation between it and the floor above. I'm most concerned about the top, along where it joins the outside walls.

The "locals" advise that the only way is to tear out the existing ceiling, insulate it, and replace it with a new one. They said that if I used foam, I'd bow the ceiling and would have to replace it anyway, so why not pay....

I'm retired. Get real. Can foam be used?

Piffin

08:53AM | 09/10/06
Member Since: 11/06/02
1284 lifetime posts
Are you trying to insulate for sound or heat?

There are two different methods for the different goals.

The fact yuou are retired makes absolutely no difference in what it costs to do a thing today. You can't buy today's labor for yesterday's prices.

Excellence is its own reward!


Winterchase

03:43AM | 09/12/06
Member Since: 09/09/06
6 lifetime posts
Heat is the main interest I have, but forget it; I won't stand being talked down to.

All too often today, projects cost twice what they should because they have to be done twice! Hell, I'd gladly pay three times today's labor costs for yesterday's quality and believe me, I can very well afford to.

Have a good day. I'm outta here!

Piffin

12:55PM | 09/12/06
Member Since: 11/06/02
1284 lifetime posts
too bad you can't stick around long enough to get the advice you're looking for. I would need information to make recommendations. Instead you get your back up when I try to separate pertinent information from immaterial information.

Most homeowners I have dealt with who take your attitude and get things done the cheapest way possible end up creating problems that cost two to three times as much to repair.

good advice is not expensive.

you want an arguement, go to the bar.

a good conversation and education, let me know.

Excellence is its own reward!


Winterchase

04:47PM | 09/12/06
Member Since: 09/09/06
6 lifetime posts
Oh, I'll be around, Piffin, always, like the proverbial bad penny, but with your total lack of people skills and the indiotic, unfounded assumptions you make, to say nothing of your pompous, condenscending attitude, I could never trust you.

So, if anyone out there, except Piffin, cares to answer the initial question from someone who is learning how to use their hands, I would appreciate it.

Piffin

05:19PM | 09/12/06
Member Since: 11/06/02
1284 lifetime posts
So, what you ar looking for is a skiled person willing to be insulted who will give someone with your attitude free advice on how to do this job on the cheap

When other skilled tradesmen who have actually looked at the job have all agreed on the best way to get it done.

Speaking of people skills, I pity your renter...

Excellence is its own reward!


Billhart

08:22PM | 09/12/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1918 lifetime posts
Maybe we should suggest he go over to JLC .


Winterchase

02:40AM | 09/13/06
Member Since: 09/09/06
6 lifetime posts
Boy, are you creative. “Renter?” Where did you come up with that one? Wow! You must have a box full of assumptions to draw from.

But, you've given me a great idea, only she'd have to be a gorgeous, blue eyed, blond haired, nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store, and women with those credentials are hard to find these days.

To get back on point, I thought that since Vila's name is attached (and in my business, when you attach your name, you get very protective, as I'm sure he, his publicist, agent, manager and production company are), the forum would be about helping those of us who want to learn how to do things ourselves - for the pure joy of doing it, not to get involved in something like this.

Back off, call a truce, and I'll do the same.


Piffin

11:42AM | 09/14/06
Member Since: 11/06/02
1284 lifetime posts
You'rre right about that. I assumed that since you are turning the basement into a separate apartment that you would be renting it out. Poor retired people often do this. It would also be a reason for trying to insulate it separately.

My bad.

So you want to DIY this? You should have said so. You came across as a guy who was trying to fiond a way to get the pros to do it cheaper 'cause you are retired.

As for the Villa name here - the only sign I have seen in alll the years I have browsed these pages is that he ios interested in the profits generated by the advertisers. So this assumption is your error.

anyway, good luck, enjoy the truce, and have a good life.

Excellence is its own reward!


Winterchase

04:41AM | 09/15/06
Member Since: 09/09/06
6 lifetime posts
... the only times I have "rented" it out I received no money, which I don't need, rather I did it, and will do it again, when the local shelter for battered women is full, as it often is around here, and the sheriff calls to ask for "a favor."

By the way, if you think you're tough, you should experience watching a woman and her children getting out of a sheriff's car or one belonging to DFACS, knowing she's hit absolute rock bottom. I have never understood how a man can beat a women but, brother, I've sure seen the results.

Your local shelter could probably use your help.

Poor, I'm not, not by a long shot. "Retired" I am, sort of, having reached that point in my professional career where I work for the love of it, not because I need more money. Working on the house seems like a good hobby.

Back on point; I called the CEO of a foam company yesterday. Nice guy. Very helpful, very friendly. He told me exactly how to do it and even sent instructions and pictures of similiar projects as illustrations. Pretty neat how it's done. And simple.

Oh, being in the entertainment industry and knowing how some things are done, I wouldn't count on Vila not noticing the forum. My educated guess is that he, or his people, look in from time to time, to get ideas and/or a feel for what the (viewing) public is (currently) interested in.

Anyway, luck is for rabbits, but thanks anyway.
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