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BV001402

05:24PM | 06/25/13
Bvbrush
We have 3 sets of concrete steps, and want to paint them. They are not attractive. Two of these sets of stairs (4'x6' 4 steps; 3'x4 2 steps) are rarely used. The smallest is used during the summer. Even if we have to coat them every year, it would be nicer than they are right now. I saw both products in. Woodwork magazine. Has anyone used either on concrete? Any comments? Which is better? Which is easier? Thank you! Betty

BV001491

11:06AM | 07/06/13
Were there any comments on this thread? I have the same question but was going to use it on a wood deck.

BV001599

01:56AM | 07/18/13
I plan to use the deckover. It has twice the coverage per gallon, fills the same cracks, and is said to go on easier. So, a much easier, and somewhat cheaper option, and I think it will look better too. On the downside, Restore is said to last half again as long.
Good luck.

BV001629

07:07PM | 07/21/13

The first thing to understand about coating systems(paint or combinations thereof) is that coating systems are designed the same way bridges are built: From both ends towards the middle.

At the beginning you have the surface you start with, its properties and its liabilities. At the finish you have a selected color, a hoped-for durability, and perhaps certain physical properties.

Painting concrete steps with one or more products can be looked at that way. In the beginning one has concrete, new or old. With almost all DIY projects, the concrete is old. New concrete has its own particular adhesion issues, and getting paint to stick to fresh concrete is a story for another day. Getting a paint to stick to old concrete that may be dry is fairly easy; just look for the manufacturer's assurance that it will do so. Some concrete has ground water that comes up through the concrete and tends to loosen the bond of some paints to concrete. You may need a Damp Concrete primer if your painted concrete blistered. If your local store does not have such a primer, it's readily available on the Internet.

Now, going to the other side, the finished painted concrete needs to have durability, for concrete steps will be walked upon and paint can wear through. You need a paint that says it is intended to be walked upon; some very nice-looking paints are too soft to survive much foot traffic.

It should not be slippery, particularly not when wet. This means the paint should have some “slip-resistance”. Such paints used to be called nonskid, until some lawyer sued a paint company for a slip-and-fall incident, claiming that the word “nonskid” was an implied warranty, and thus a guarantee that one could not slip-and-fall when stepping on that paint. The paint company lost, and now pretty-much everyone in the paint industry uses instead the phrase “slip-resistant”, or similar, as that does not guarantee one will not slip-and-fall, merely that the surface “resists” such misadventure.

So, there we have the attributes of the final appearance and function: color, durability, perhaps an ability to fill cracks or at least bridge over them, and some not-very-slippery-when-wet quality.

If you identify, perhaps with the help of a store clerk, a topcoat that has the properties you want, then either it will stick directly to the old concrete, dry or damp, or some concrete primer may be needed to glue that paint down to your concrete.

If the paint manufacturer says it has certain properties, it likely does. If only the store clerk says the paint will do something but the paint manufacturer itself does not say that, then see if the store offers the warranty because the paint manufacturer certainly does not.

Either way, you now have designed your coating system. If the paint you buy lasts a satisfactory amount of time, then you win.

The foregoing is not a pat answer, and I said nothing about price; more expensive products as a generality tend to be of higher quality and not usually sold on discount-sales. What that was intended to do was to help you to ask the right kind of questions and thereby make you more able to find your answers.

BV001691

10:54AM | 07/29/13
I used DeckOver this weekend. It goes on a little thicker than normal paint. It dired fast. I finished at 3:00 pm Sunday and it rained over night... no issues. I like the product.

BV002103

04:34PM | 09/16/13
We used Restore this weekend on a 700+ SF wooden deck and it dried fairly quickly, filled all cracks and slivers, seemed to have a decently slip-resistant texture and looks great.

The down side is that it takes a LOT of it because it is so thick. It also takes a lot of time, for the same reason. I went with this product because we had painted the railing of an old deck last year. Mixed rail spindles of new pine, old cedar, things in-between that had been previously painted. We did not clean anything, we just painted over it all in hopes of getting a uniform look.

It has been a year plus and the railing still looks as good as the day we painted it on. I am hoping for similar results with the deck. We are tired of re-sealing the deck every year or two and hope that Restore actually lasts 8-10 years as advertised.

BV002178

02:43PM | 09/26/13
Restore works great on concrete that has a broom finish. I would not waste my time if I did not prepare the concrete or wood surface to the paint manufacture's suggestions. Restore requires 2 coats. I have been very pleased with Restore for Concrete and Decks.

BV002379

05:35AM | 10/22/13
I have not used Deckover, but have used restore. The restore has been on our concrete walkway in Michigan for 3 years and still looks great. Now we are getting ready to use Deckover on a driveway in Florida since it can be used for drives, and are hoping for the best. Oh we forgot and only used 1 coat of restore, it was a little tricky putting it on but cheaper than new concrete.

BV002454

05:12PM | 10/31/13
Neither of these products can stand up to a killer anti-slip paint/coating from a specialty water-based coatings manufacturer out of Florida by the name of Liquiguard Technologies. Their FlexDuraCote has more longevity than either of these products and much better slip resistance. It has built-in UV protection, mildewcides, great body to fill cracks, high-end pigments that won't fade and its a 1-coat application, making it MUCH easier to apply. You roll it on to the surface and it will bond with anything. Also, its thermal insulative and stays cool under direct sunlight. It can be found at www.liquiguard.com and is available in 9 colors but can be ordered in custom colors too.

BV002460

01:21PM | 11/01/13
Someone here has been misinformed. Deckover is NOT for driveways.
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