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k2

07:46AM | 04/26/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
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Greetings Appliance Gurus,

We have a 2-year old Kenmore Calypso washer, that (since day one) has seemed to generate a lot of lint. This lint gets 'embedded' into fabrics and is very difficult to remove. My wife says past washers we've had have also generated lint--but probably not this much.

We've gotten to be very careful about load types--e.g., lint "collectors" vs lint "givers", etc. We're careful about removing lint remaining in washer tub areas after every wash. We don't use the dryer all that long, usually--as we usually hang clothing to dry. (I do clean dryer vent and filters regularly.)

Any ideas on lint, especially with Calypso? Is it a bigger problem on these models than others? Do some machines (e.g., front loaders) NOT have this problem?

Your help in this linty problem is very much appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

-k2 in CO

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DanO

09:51AM | 04/26/04
Member Since: 11/11/02
2293 lifetime posts
First. Are you sure it's "lint" ?

Undissolved laundry detergent frequently appears in clothing as 'white stuff' which may look like lint. Such a built up can also cause skin irritation in the people wearing such items.

To find out if it is, try rewashing any affected clothing *without using any detergent* in as warm a wash is acceptable for the material. Watch the drain water for signs of suds. If there's any, you may either be using too much detergent and/or the wash water may be too cold.

BTW. Laundry detergent manufacturers think that a "cold" wash is about ~70°F+ and that's what they design their detergents for. If your wash temperature is any colder than that, recent detergents may not dissolve properly.

Second. Many manufacturers now state that removing lint is the job of a dryer and not a washer and have all but removed any such filters from their wash systems. I do not know specifically about the Calypso models but if you post the model number off it (k2 you should know better!), I'll see if I can find anything about it.

Lastly, "lint" is often caused by excessive wear on clothing. Overloading and/or using too small a wash size for the amount of clothing being washed is a common cause of that.

Dan O.

k2

11:32AM | 04/26/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Hey there Dan-the-Man,

You're right, I SHOULD know better, it is a model Kenmore 22062.

It is definitely lint. It is like blotches that can get intertwined with fabric--esp with certain fabric (like bedspreads). We usu. use liquid detergent. My wife says that using more detergent (rather than less) seems to help the situation...but no guarantee.

We do try and use warm or hot wash; our cold water is real cold here. Actually this model 'warms up' typical cold water by adding hot (even for a cold wash), but we still try to avoid cold washes.

Your comment about removing being the 'job of the dryer' is interesting, and believable. There is no lint filter (like in the old days)--the lint just collects at a water entry/exit(?) area at the top of the tub.

Thanks for your help DanO! And any more feedback is welcome!

Regards,

-k2 in CO

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Anonymous

11:30AM | 04/27/04
** it is a model Kenmore 22062 **

That is not the model, at least not the whole one as should be printed on the appliance's model and serial number tag. I found a listing for 110.22062100 which might be it.

** It is definitely lint. **

I couldn't find any type of lint filter listed for the above model nor any reference to lint problems on Calypso washers in Whirlpool's bulletins. This is the closest I found:

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Gray Streaks On Clothing

Gray streaks on clothing can be caused by detergent that has not been completely dissolved. It is recommended that only High Efficiency detergents be used in the Calypso Washer. However, if a consumer insists on using regular detergent, the dosage should be cut in half to avoid over-usage.

During the winter months in colder climates, and because the Calypso washer uses a limited amount of water, the detergent may not dissolve completely when using a cold water Wash cycle. To avoid this from happening, the consumer should use a liquid detergent with the warmest water setting that is recommended for the load. If the consumer insists on using a cold water wash, the detergent should be dissolved in a separate container with warm water, and then added to the washer at the beginning of the Wash cycle.

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You may have to contact S-e-a-r-s or a Whirlpool service center to see if they can suggest possible causes or a way to alleviate the occurrence.

Sorry.

Dan O.


Anonymous

11:31AM | 04/27/04
** it is a model Kenmore 22062 **

That is not the model, at least not the whole one as should be printed on the appliance's model and serial number tag. I found a listing for 110.22062100 which might be it.

** It is definitely lint. **

I couldn't find any type of lint filter listed for the above model nor any reference to lint problems on Calypso washers in Whirlpool's bulletins. This is the closest I found:

---------

Gray Streaks On Clothing

Gray streaks on clothing can be caused by detergent that has not been completely dissolved. It is recommended that only High Efficiency detergents be used in the Calypso Washer. However, if a consumer insists on using regular detergent, the dosage should be cut in half to avoid over-usage.

During the winter months in colder climates, and because the Calypso washer uses a limited amount of water, the detergent may not dissolve completely when using a cold water Wash cycle. To avoid this from happening, the consumer should use a liquid detergent with the warmest water setting that is recommended for the load. If the consumer insists on using a cold water wash, the detergent should be dissolved in a separate container with warm water, and then added to the washer at the beginning of the Wash cycle.

---------

You may have to contact S-e-a-r-s or a Whirlpool service center to see if they can suggest possible causes or a way to alleviate the occurrence.

Sorry.

Dan O.


DanO

11:34AM | 04/27/04
Member Since: 11/11/02
2293 lifetime posts
** it is a model Kenmore 22062 **

That is not the model, at least not the whole one as should be printed on the appliance's model and serial number tag. I found a listing for 110.22062100 which might be it.

** It is definitely lint. **

I couldn't find any type of lint filter listed for the above model nor any reference to lint problems on Calypso washers in Whirlpool's bulletins. This is the closest I found:

---------

Gray Streaks On Clothing

Gray streaks on clothing can be caused by detergent that has not been completely dissolved. It is recommended that only High Efficiency detergents be used in the Calypso Washer. However, if a consumer insists on using regular detergent, the dosage should be cut in half to avoid over-usage.

During the winter months in colder climates, and because the Calypso washer uses a limited amount of water, the detergent may not dissolve completely when using a cold water Wash cycle. To avoid this from happening, the consumer should use a liquid detergent with the warmest water setting that is recommended for the load. If the consumer insists on using a cold water wash, the detergent should be dissolved in a separate container with warm water, and then added to the washer at the beginning of the Wash cycle.

---------

You may have to contact S-e-a-r-s or a Whirlpool service center to see if they can suggest possible causes or a way to alleviate the occurrence.

Sorry.

Dan O.


k2

01:08PM | 04/27/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Thanks Dan for the insight! My wife will also read your post and see if we need to change any laundry 'habits!'

Thanks again,

-k2 in CO

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plumber Tom

05:43PM | 04/27/04
Member Since: 05/10/03
810 lifetime posts
Sorry for jumping in your thread, but I found it very unusual k2 that your having this problem with a 2 year old washing machine. Do you have a water softener? Just curious as to the hardness of your water? I know you probabaly paid a good penny for that washer. Just goes to show you, they don't make them liked they used to. The old washers had the round lint collector that wen't right over the agitator. GO FIGURE. BTW Hello DanO. plumber Tom

k2

07:54PM | 04/27/04
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Hi Tom, you are welcome on any thread anytime :)

You may be onto something. My wife thinks that our water may be harder than we thought. We don't have a water softener.

And the Calypso was something we purchased to help save water. Looking back we may have bought a front loader. But we got a good deal on it (scratch-n-dent) and really it's been pretty good. And my wife says that all our previous washers had this problem too; just for some reason we seem to notice it more now--or she's had to struggle more with which detergent, how much, etc.

You are also correct about the lack of lint filters in washers. I remember these from the old washers. Now I think they were a good idea.

Hmmmm, I wonder if they can be installed retroactively....(?)

All the best Tom,

-k2 in CO

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NoCalMrDrummer2K

09:40PM | 05/22/04
Member Since: 05/22/04
2 lifetime posts
I too have noticed a lint problem... and it's the least of the many problems I've encountered with my Kenmore [*****] Calypso washer.

I bought mine when they first came out. My old Kitchenaid had busted a rubber joint (I found out later & repaired myself for under $10) and I was desperate to get clean clothes again. In an effort to be Green-concious, I bought the Calypso, hoping that I'd save water and electricity, and still have the washer-tub capacity to wash an occasional blanket or other bulky item. The front-load washers of the time had little doors on them, and would hardly wash enough.

The problems that I noticed were immediate and numerous. First, the flow of water over the clothes came out like it would from a waterhose - a half-inch stream of water which failed to moisten most of the clothes, and mostly fell on the center tower in the tub. Only a normal or extended cycle would adequately get them moist enough.

Next, the shaking that this washer does drives my downstairs neighbors nuts. Even with a "load" of a pair of socks, the washer gets seriously out-of-balance. Not enough to trigger the OB sensor, but enough to shake the building. And so the washer walks away from the wall as it goes through its cycles. I have found it more than a foot away from its installed location at the end of a cycle.

As for the bleach dispensing? Well, it does it late in the wash cycle. Poorly. If the items are sensitive to getting spotted with bleach, I don't dare put bleach in the dispenser, as I get speckled items.

Oh, and the temperature selections on the machine are a joke. Yes, the wash temperatures are more-or-less accurate - Hot, Warm, Cold. But there is NO difference between "Cold" and "Tap Cold" even with freezing-cold water entering the pipes. And the "Warm" rinse is a complete lie - under no conditions does the rinse water cycle EVER use hot water to warm the cold.

With a more rigorous or full-tub cycle, I've also noticed quite a bit of water on the floor below the washer. I presume it's spashing out of the tub somehow (maybe it's the actual cause of the multiple remarks about a moldy smell for some who own this machine).

Back to the question about "lint". Yes, I see it. A lot. I have a cat. The Calypso does not remove much of the cat's fur, nor does it remove the lint that my old machine easily took out. It's not a matter of the amount of detergent. It's lint and/or other unfiltered "dirt" that is floating about the recirculation system, and detergent doesn't show up as black specs on white clothes.

I've modified the water-flow system so that it now sprays over the clothes (a change I'd noticed in later models). Oddly enough, my own modification has roughened a plastic surface which helps spread the stream of water out. That surface now acts as a lint-trap, and I have to clean that every load now.

I've been back to the ***** dealer, and explained the many problems I've had with the machine. They've taken my name, number, etc. and told me they'll have someone contact me. But I think waiting over a year for them to call is a little long.. don't you?

On the bright side, I've not had a water pump go out, nor does my machine seem to suffer the "moldy smell" problem that I see some have had.

Nevertheless, I'll never buy another Kenmore product. EVER. I'm looking for a front-loader with a large door and top-loader capacity.
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