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harris92

10:37AM | 02/10/05
Member Since: 02/09/05
10 lifetime posts
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I have a ***** Kenmore top loading washing machine that is driving me crazy.When you use it, the first load goes through fine, but a second load will not spin out, it pushes the water out of the top, and down the outside of the drum onto the floor. It will also sometimes leave part of the water that didn't spill over the top in the drum.If I open the top,and put it into the spin cycle, and hold the safety switch with a screwdriver, it seems to spin out fine. Any suggestions, thanks.

DanO

08:06AM | 02/11/05
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
Exactly which '***** Kenmore top loading washing machine' may be important here. If you post the machine's model number it should help to identify the product in question.

You can find tips for locating the model and serial number tag on your appliances in the 'Repair Parts' section of my site linked below.

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Kenmore+Washer

The Appliance Information Site

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harris92

09:15AM | 02/11/05
Member Since: 02/09/05
10 lifetime posts
It is a model number 110.91520100, thanks for any help.

DanO

04:28PM | 02/11/05
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** a second load will not spin out, it pushes the water out of the top **

So it IS actually spinning but just not draining, so the water 'whirlpools' over the tub?

Your washer is a Whirlpool build 'direct drive' washer design and uses what is called a 'neutral drain' transmission. On such a system, when the washer first goes into spin, the transmission is in neutral and the motor just turns the pump to drain the machine. After a little while the timer pauses the motor which 'shifts the transmission into gear'. When the timer starts the motor again, the transmission spins the tub.

There are several possibilities for my assumption of the whirlpool/overflow effect;

1. The pump isn't draining the water from the machine. That could be caused by a defective pump or kinked or a plugged (internal or external) drain hose. BTW. Although rare, blockages can be intermittent.

2. The transmission is stuck 'in gear' at that point and trying to spin the tub too soon. As I said, the washer should drain before the transmission starts spinning the tub.

Let me know if I'm off the track.

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Kenmore+washer

The Appliance Information Site

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harris92

01:11PM | 02/13/05
Member Since: 02/09/05
10 lifetime posts
Dan, it appears to me that the machine isn't draining out the water before it starts to spin, like you said. Is there anything I can try to fix this? Thanks again for you help.

HandyBob

06:46PM | 02/13/05
Member Since: 01/30/05
24 lifetime posts
I have been experiencing the same problem with a Kenmore model 110.28802890. I believe my problem is a defective gearcase. After the agitation cycle, the motor is supposed to pause, reverse direction then pump out the water. Pause once again, then start, engaging the spin gear. After agitation does the machine pause the motor then pump out the water? If it goes immediately into spin then the gearcase is defective. After agitation does it pause, start again with no pumping of water? You probably need a new pump then. Do you see water being pumped out as it spins? Your pump is allright if that is the case. They don't seem to sell any parts within the gearcase. You have to buy the complete unit. ($150+)

DanO

09:46PM | 02/13/05
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** it appears to me that the machine isn't draining out the water before it starts to spin **

So are you saying that the machine *immediately* starts to spin or that even after the drain there is still lots of water remaining??

If the former, HandyBob is correct. In such a case the transmission would usually need to be replaced or repaired. I don't know if attempting to repair it would be a job for a novice but you can see the parts likely to be required in either case at the following links.

Whirlpool/Kenmore 'Direct Drive' Transmission Asm.

LINK > http://tinyurl.com/6go5q

Transmission 'Neutral Drain' Kit

LINK > http://tinyurl.com/4deb3

If the transmission IS doing its neutral drain thing, than the water drain system would need to be looking into to see why it wasn't able to drain. It could be a defective pump, the pump just fallen off the motor, the external drain hose plugged or kinked or one of the internal hoses plugged.

Whirlpool/Kenmore 'Direct Drive' Washer Pump

LINK > http://tinyurl.com/5btez

BTW. You can find a repair manual for that design of washer at this link. I don't know if it covers repairing the actual transmission though.

Whirlpool Built 'Direct Drive' Washer Service Manual

LINK > http://tinyurl.com/4nuc8

JFYI

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Kenmore+Washer

The Appliance Information Site

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harris92

01:11PM | 02/14/05
Member Since: 02/09/05
10 lifetime posts
Ok, I spent an exciting day of watching my washing machine today. The first two loads that I did it worked perfectly. On the third load it washed and pumped the water out, then spun it out ok. When it was doing the rinse,after it had filled back up with water and was agitating, it started to fill up with what appeared to be the dirty wash water that had pumped out already. it would have filled up, and ran over the top of the tub if I hadn't stopped it. I manually drained that out, and reran the rinse cycle, and it worked correctly. The question I have , is there an anti-drainback valve somewhere in the pump/drain system that might not be working correctly intermittently? That was what it seemed to be to me, something like a one-way valve that doesn't shut all the time? Thanks agin for any ideas you may have.

DanO

02:04PM | 02/14/05
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** Ok, I spent an exciting day of watching my washing machine today. **

Sometimes that is require to get an accurate description of the problem. There's not much chance of getting a useful answer without it?

** is there an anti-drainback valve somewhere in the pump/drain system **

No. If water is going back into the machine from the drain, the house plumbing or the washer's drain installation will likely need to be looked into.

The only way I can see any significant amount of water coming back from the drain hose is if that hose was extended from the length which originally came on the machine.

If the drain hose was *sealed* into a drain stand pipe (it shouldn't be), that might allow water to be siphoned from the house plumbing system back into the washer. That might be especially possible if the house plumbing can't remove the water fast enough (like from being partially plugged or undersized).

Dan O.

HandyBob

02:55PM | 02/14/05
Member Since: 01/30/05
24 lifetime posts
Thanks, DanO. I didn't realize individual parts within the gearcase could be bought. You have to enter the part number for them to show on the ***** parts site. Yes, I think there is an obstruction in harris92's drain line. When my tub fills and covers the drain spout, the machine does not drain. A sealed standpipe would probably reverse the flow. He may need a drain augering. How could he see water entering the tub though during agitation, since the entry point is at the tub bottom? If water is continuing to flow at the top then maybe his mixing valve is sticking open.
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