Looking for opinions as to if it is worth it to buy a dishwasher with a stainless tub or not.
It seems to me that putting a plastic bottom near a heating element is asking for trouble, especially if the heating element ever worked loose.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I just had $10K worth of kitchen cabinets put in.
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** It seems to me that putting a plastic bottom near a heating element is asking for trouble, especially if the heating element ever worked loose. **
That happens occasionally but not very often to worry about IMO. As long as reasonable diligence is observed during the use of the appliance, such a failure will likely never happen or will be caught before any serious damage to the tub occurs.
Of course, it would never happen on a stainless steel or porcelain tub dishwasher model.
JMO
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That happens occasionally but not very often to worry about IMO. As long as reasonable diligence is observed during the use of the appliance, such a failure will likely never happen or will be caught before any serious damage to the tub occurs.
Of course, it would never happen on a stainless steel or porcelain tub dishwasher model.
JMO
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houstonareosfan:
It really depends on the quality of the water coming in, like for example if you have rusty water issues, alkalinity, hard water issues that will interact with the dishwasher detergent and "scum" on the walls of the dishwasher, etc, and how you plan to deal with those deposit collections should they occur) periodically. The warranty on the various types of liners are all fairly good, however I have personally suffered issues with the porcelin lined ones, where the brackets are attached to the liner (for top shelf glides, and elements to the base) where because the porcl substance wasn't completely sealing those hole edges, or if it had been it cracked from the factory screw installation, rusting began there and eventually caused a leak that was unrepairable. This is why I lean towards the other 2 choices. Then you get into noise issues, if you're going to upgrade to stainless make sure you have a really nice upgraded insulation system for sound and that the door is also well insulated. Because Stainless actually rusts (its black so you don't notice it) If you polish a stainless sink with bar-keepers or other stainless polish for example, its actually for me a down-side, also if you have real silver or silver plate that you plan to wash in the dishwasher you can have problems that will hurt your silver, just as if you put silver in the same location as stainless flatware in any dishwasher.
However, if you have no silver or resign yourself to hand washing it, AND you don't have water quality issues, either stainless or plastic-type liners work fine, but I have a definate issue with 90 percent of the porcelin liners these days with lousy manufacture and no sealant placed at those areas where the glides and elements are attached to the liner rusting in short order (and usually not noticed until the "waranty" coverage for same has either expired or no longer includes the labor, and replacing a liner is no easy job even if you can still get a replacement one by the time it has rusted (the metal UNDER the porcelin).
It really depends on the quality of the water coming in, like for example if you have rusty water issues, alkalinity, hard water issues that will interact with the dishwasher detergent and "scum" on the walls of the dishwasher, etc, and how you plan to deal with those deposit collections should they occur) periodically. The warranty on the various types of liners are all fairly good, however I have personally suffered issues with the porcelin lined ones, where the brackets are attached to the liner (for top shelf glides, and elements to the base) where because the porcl substance wasn't completely sealing those hole edges, or if it had been it cracked from the factory screw installation, rusting began there and eventually caused a leak that was unrepairable. This is why I lean towards the other 2 choices. Then you get into noise issues, if you're going to upgrade to stainless make sure you have a really nice upgraded insulation system for sound and that the door is also well insulated. Because Stainless actually rusts (its black so you don't notice it) If you polish a stainless sink with bar-keepers or other stainless polish for example, its actually for me a down-side, also if you have real silver or silver plate that you plan to wash in the dishwasher you can have problems that will hurt your silver, just as if you put silver in the same location as stainless flatware in any dishwasher.
However, if you have no silver or resign yourself to hand washing it, AND you don't have water quality issues, either stainless or plastic-type liners work fine, but I have a definate issue with 90 percent of the porcelin liners these days with lousy manufacture and no sealant placed at those areas where the glides and elements are attached to the liner rusting in short order (and usually not noticed until the "waranty" coverage for same has either expired or no longer includes the labor, and replacing a liner is no easy job even if you can still get a replacement one by the time it has rusted (the metal UNDER the porcelin).
oh what I meant about cleaning, is like for example when you notice a buildup, you can run the dishwasher empty with a few cups of white vinegar in it to clear that scum, but you cannot use vinegar in a stainless lined one, as it will etch the stainless eventually, and also cause more stainless rusting. The other thing is that if you're going to use the rinse and hold feature a lot, and use the air dry cycle a lot, stainless will not do as well.
With stainless you are pretty much going commercial type use meaning that your going with the temperature boost, complete emptying, and running a complete cycle all the time including heat dry, because to reduce stainless (black) rusting residue (which then grabs at that dishwasher soap and coats, etc. etc.) you need to get it dry and keep it dry, and to clean it periodically you need a special product that costs a lot more than a few cups of distilled vinegar, and occasionally a lot more elbow grease to polish it up nice.
With stainless you are pretty much going commercial type use meaning that your going with the temperature boost, complete emptying, and running a complete cycle all the time including heat dry, because to reduce stainless (black) rusting residue (which then grabs at that dishwasher soap and coats, etc. etc.) you need to get it dry and keep it dry, and to clean it periodically you need a special product that costs a lot more than a few cups of distilled vinegar, and occasionally a lot more elbow grease to polish it up nice.
** I have personally suffered issues with the porcelin lined ones **
I don't think any manufacturers are using that material in dishwashers any longer. Mostly just platic or stainless steel.
** when you notice a buildup, you can run the dishwasher empty with a few cups of white vinegar in it to clear that scum, but you cannot use vinegar in a stainless lined one **
There are comercially available dishwasher cleaners which are safe to use on stainless steel tub models. You can see a couple at the following links.
- Dishwasher Magic®
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/5mzek
- Glisten® Dishwasher Cleaner
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/59q6y
JFYI
Dan O.
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I don't think any manufacturers are using that material in dishwashers any longer. Mostly just platic or stainless steel.
** when you notice a buildup, you can run the dishwasher empty with a few cups of white vinegar in it to clear that scum, but you cannot use vinegar in a stainless lined one **
There are comercially available dishwasher cleaners which are safe to use on stainless steel tub models. You can see a couple at the following links.
- Dishwasher Magic®
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/5mzek
- Glisten® Dishwasher Cleaner
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/59q6y
JFYI
Dan O.
www.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Dishwasher
The Appliance Information Site
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Sorry, here's the proper link:
- Dishwasher Magic®
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/4h2tr
I'll correct the other but may take a while for the edit to go through.
Dan O.
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- Dishwasher Magic®
LINK > http://tinyurl.com/4h2tr
I'll correct the other but may take a while for the edit to go through.
Dan O.
www.Appliance411.com/?ref411=.Dishwasher
The Appliance Information Site
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my closing sentance I mentioned the product but couldn't remember its name, however my point was that it costs more than the 10 cents a cup of vinegar costs to use to clean the dishwasher.
I know most offer the plastic and stainless but couldn't say for sure if anyone still offered a porcelin one presently, as one can still find porcelin washing machines and the OP did mention that type, so felt compelled to share my opinion based on PAST experience with same, but by no means did I mean to indicate that they were still being made that way, I hadn't checked.
I know most offer the plastic and stainless but couldn't say for sure if anyone still offered a porcelin one presently, as one can still find porcelin washing machines and the OP did mention that type, so felt compelled to share my opinion based on PAST experience with same, but by no means did I mean to indicate that they were still being made that way, I hadn't checked.
