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Billhart

07:13PM | 06/10/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
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A 2-3 year old GE model GSS22KGP is not cooling in either section.

The refigerator is at up to 61 and I don't know the freezer temp, but the organe juice cans are soft.

Compressor is running and I check the return freon line and it feels cool. Not as cold as I would suspect, but have no idea of how cold it should be.

There is possibility that the evaporator coil is frozen up. There is a thin layer of frost on the back of the freezer.

I am not sure, but I think that the refigerator door might not have been closing solidly becuase of a large pan in it.

How can I remove the the back panel to see if there is ice and/or how can I force it to defrost other than turn it off and leaving the doors open for several hours.


DanO

08:43PM | 06/10/06
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** A 2-3 year old GE model GSS22KGP **

That model number is incomplete, did you get it right off the appliance's model and serial number tag? If not, you can find tips on where to locate the model number identification tag on your appliances in the 'Repair Parts' section of my web site linked below. That is the only place the complete model number will usually be found.

** There is possibility that the evaporator coil is frozen up... I am not sure, but I think that the refigerator door might not have been closing solidly **

That could do it.

** How can I remove the the back panel to see if there is ice **

Are there no screws holding the freezer compartment rear panel in place?

** how can I force it to defrost **

I looked up one possible model (I don't know if it was your model though) and it appears to be electronically controlled. I don't know that it is possible to force those into defrost. Manual defrosting may be required if an excessive frost build-up is present.

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/parts/?ref411=GE+Fridge

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Billhart

04:13AM | 06/11/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
I bougth this as a floor model and did not get a manual and had to download one and I went through the same problem.

The actual model number is a GSS22KGPA doing a google on that gives ZERO hits. Also a search at GE appliance site gives zero hits.

However going a search on GSS22KGP gives lots of hits of including this FTC site that list that a GE GSS22KGP in there list of energy ratings.

Also on the GE site it find 3 refigerators GSS22KGPxx where XX is color.

But I checked again and I see that it is really GSS22KGPA (space) CC

Tried this with and without the space. GE website did not find anything useful. Without the space no hits, with the space it found any reference to CC.

Without the space google did find too hits.

One very helpful.

http://www.partselect.com/AdvancedModelSearch.aspx?modelNum=GSS22KGPACC&fkMfgID=2

That shows the graphic breakdown of the refigerator.

BTW, what controls the refigerator temp.

I do see a part in the top "426 PS288221

DAMPER & THERMISTER ASM (DAMPER & GAS)"

Is that it. Does it just only an air door to the freezer side. I was expecting to see a fan.

Anyway I am going to empty the freezer and check to see if the coil is frozen now that I know how to get to it.


Billhart

07:09AM | 06/11/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
After unloading the freezer and removing the shelves I found that the back "wall" was held inplace with two screws at the top and also traped at the bottom with the basket guides.

Removed then and I could acess the coils and they where frosted up.

The only question, which time will tell, is if the problem was caused by the door not being sealed (which I am not sure of) or if there is a problem with the defrost system.


DanO

10:31AM | 06/11/06
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** The actual model number is a GSS22KGPA doing a google on that gives ZERO hits. **

The actual model number includes the color designation too (CC in your case - although the space between is omitted).

Whether you can find the real/complete model number listed in a Google search is irrelevant. Not every piece of information ever created will be able to be found by Google. To allow others the best chance to know what you're dealing with, the complete information should always be supplied.

** on the GE site it find 3 refigerators GSS22KGPxx where XX is color. **

There is also another letter missing before the color designation in the above which is critical to the appliance's identification. Eg.

GSS22KGPA CC

GSS22KGPC CC

GSS22KGPD CC

GSS22KGPH CC

GSS22KGPJ BB

GSS22KGPJ CC

GSS22KGPJ WW

The "A", "C", "D", "H" and "J" is important to the proper appliance identification, the model 'series' (aka. age of model introduction). The "BB", "CC" and "WW" just the color designations but will often be needed to be included to pull up the proper information in searches.

** what controls the refrigerator temp.I do see a part in the top "DAMPER & THERMISTER ASM". Is that it. **

... in combination with the electronic control and the evaporator (freezer) fan, yes.

- GE GSS22KGPA CC Damper Asm.

LINK > http://www.appliance411.com/data.php?rc=879153

- GSS22KGPA CC 'Mother Board'

LINK > http://www.appliance411.com/data.php?rc=1042206

** Does it just only an air door to the freezer side. **

That's how most frost-free refrigerators work (see the following link).

- My frost free refrigerator is not cooling properly. What might be the problem?

LINK > http://www.appliance411.com/links/jump.cgi?ID=659

** I was expecting to see a fan. **

There is a fan... but in the freezer compartment. Some models might have two inside but that is rare. (Many will also have another but outside the fridge).

** shows the graphic breakdown of the refigerator. **

Yes, exploded parts diagrams can be helpful, although they are not in as complete detail as blue prints, etc..

- GE GSS22KGPA CC Exploded Parts Illustrations

LINK > http://www.appliance411.com/data.php?psm=GSS22KGPACC

** I found that the back "wall" was held in place with two screws at the top and also taped at the bottom **

I thought it would be.

** I could access the coils and they where frosted up. The only question, which time will tell, is if the problem was caused by the door not being sealed (which I am not sure of) or if there is a problem with the defrost system. **

You'll probably know in a week or so, if the temperatures start increasing. :/

The way they build fridges today toward energy conservation, there operation doesn't allow a lot of leeway for mishaps (like occasionally leaving the door open) like older models could. Today they basically just do enough to get the designated job done and not much more. :(

JMO

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/parts/?ref411=GE+Fridge

The Appliance Information Site

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Billhart

12:05PM | 06/11/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
The reason that I suspected to see another fan was because I "think" that I hear a fan running without the compressor running.

But thinking about it when the refigerator is calling for cooling it can run the evaporator fan and open the dampner without running the compressor.

But if the freezer is calling for cooling only then the compressor and fan is running. Or the compressor, fan, and dampner open if both are calling for cooling.

"(Many will also have another but outside the fridge)."

What other fan would they have (over than the condensor coil fan which this has).

I suspect that the design margins had something to do with this. I notice that it runs most of the time even when working correctly.

I noticed that they did away with the door heaters. Is that done with improved insulation or do they duct some of the compressor waste heat into that area?

Also what is the logic used for defrost cycling. I know on the old system they used used a run time timer so that it defrosted every so many hours fo compressor running.


DanO

01:31PM | 06/11/06
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** What other fan would they have **

The condenser fan.

** thinking about it when the refigerator is calling for cooling it can run the evaporator fan and open the dampner without running the compressor. **

Yes, the electronically controlled model can (and does) do a lot of seemingly weir things including varying the speed of its DC evaporator fan motor.

** I noticed that they did away with the door heaters. **

I don't know what you mean by "door heaters" maybe the cabinet perimeter (ie "yoder") or mullion (between the doors) heater? It is still there but just not electric. Hot gas of the refrigeration system is circulated through tubing mounted behind those area to warm them to prevent condensation from forming.

** do they duct some of the compressor waste heat into that area? **

The refrigeration system waste heat.

** Also what is the logic used for defrost cycling. **

There is a thermistor used to detect temperature rise of the evaporator. It sends signals to the electronic control that then does whatever GE has programmed it to do.

** I know on the old system they used used a run time timer so that it defrosted every so many hours of compressor running. **

That is mostly very old models, newer (and even many older GE) fridges used 'cumulative run' defrost timers (see the following link).

- How does a frost free refrigerator's defrost system work?

LINK > http://www.appliance411.com/links/jump.cgi?ID=658

JFYI

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/parts/?ref411=GE+Refrigerators

The Appliance Information Site

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Billhart

10:03AM | 06/20/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
It iced up again. This time I ohm'd the heater and it was open.

The 2nd time around it took longer to go across town to get the new heater than to open up and defrost the freezer.


DanO

06:50PM | 06/20/06
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** It iced up again. **

"Iced" (as in clear and solid) or "frosted" (a white snow-like substance). It is usually an important distinction when dealing with refrigerator problems.

** This time I ohm'd the heater and it was open. **

That would definitely cause the evaporator to frost up. Glad to hear you found the problem.

Dan O.

www.Appliance411.com/parts/?ref411=GE+Fridge

The Appliance Information Site

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