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bigwind

03:50PM | 02/10/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
11 lifetime posts
I have just checked across the two sensor pins on the Control Unit and at 20K setting I am reading 17.75.

Any relevance?

DanO

05:30PM | 02/10/07
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** Do I have 1095 Ohms or is this reading so low **

That should be well within tolerances as its exact resistance will very with the temperature it happens to be at at the time. If defective I would expect it to be +/- a hundred ohms or more out or fluctuate erratically.

** With the SEnsor still DISCONNECTED I checked ohm's between the pin and ground. **

I don't know what "pins" you're referring to, maybe on the control??

The point of that particular exercise is checking the *wiring harness* with the sensor attached to see if it reads the correct resistance at the point where it connects to the control. If it did measure properly at that point, it should eliminate both the sensor and its wiring harness as possible culprits for the error message, at the same time.

I do not believe checking the terminals *of the control* would reveal any useful information. At least I have no idea what readings you should expect.

JMO

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bigwind

02:11AM | 02/11/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
11 lifetime posts
Well, it looks like the Sensor and it's leads are working fine!

I guess it's time to install a Controller?

Would this be the next thing to do or is there anything else I should test first?

DanO

11:13AM | 02/11/07
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** Would this be the next thing to do or is there anything else I should test first? **

If the sensor and its harness are working properly, I can't think of anything else besides the electronic control itself that could be responsible for an F3 fault code.

JMO

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richapplyguy

02:19PM | 02/13/07
Member Since: 01/21/07
23 lifetime posts
Even if the thermister test's ok it still may be bad. I normally just replace them, cheaper than a new ERC. If not the problem then I order the ERC.

bigwind

04:14PM | 02/15/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
11 lifetime posts
Well I have the controller and of course it isn't going to be easy to install! My controller is outdated and they have changed things a bit!

I can just about figure it out and indeed may have everything connected in the right place but there is NO way to know for sure? The instructions are terrible! It is a one pager with two pictures. The pictures are so bad you can't tell a thing about it. Somebody at GE is playing a really bad trick! While searching the net I ran across a forum that dealt with this same issue back in December. They ALL said this was a terrible mess!

Is there a picture or website anywhere that will show me the correct connections?

If not, and you fellows are kind enough to hang with me, I can start asking questions here if either of you know how this thing is supposed to be connected. Sounds like you both may know how to tell me.

There are about 4 questions that will get me there, in fact I can draw the thing if necessary and post the drawing with my questions?

Please tell me there's a picture or better written directions somewhere...HELP??? Thanks again for any and all help!

DanO

10:26PM | 02/15/07
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** Is there a picture or website anywhere that will show me the correct connections? **

Not that I've ever come across.

** if either of you know how this thing is supposed to be connected. **

Without *seeing* what you were supplied and what was there originally, along with referring to the appliance's wiring diagram, I don't know that I could figure it out myself.

You can ask your questions but if it's anything specific, I really doubt I'll be able to answer them. GE has literally hundreds of different electronic controls and we don't even know which exact Kenmore range model you have. You haven't yet posted its model number.

JMO

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bigwind

01:01AM | 02/16/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
11 lifetime posts
Sorry about that. It is a Kenmore 911.45569690 but all the models listed in my initial post use the same controller but no way you would have known that.

I was hoping this was a problem you or other forum members might have run into in the past.

Let me give you all the information in hopes you or Rich might remember dealing with this one?

The parts list that came with the stove shows the Oven/Clock Controller P/N as: WB27T10418 and found on PartsSelect.com that it is no longer available but a replacement is. When the package arrived all the straps were GE parts and the delivered Controller is a Sanyo/Torisan ERC3B (WB27T10174). The one page of instructions were vague but would have been OK but I can't see the pictures of the new strapping configuration.

That document has a heading that reads:

Retrofit of Sanyo/Torisan ERC (WB27T10174 Control in place of Invensys/Robertshaw/Siebe (WB27K5306)

Some of the control buttons have been moved to new positions but every button and face have all the identical function names. There is no associated schematic with this unit.

I have found excellent color pictures of this control unit online if that would help you help me? Otherwise, I'm not sure what to do?

PartsSelect.Com has said they have contacted the provider and they will e-mail me a readable copy of the instructions within 3 days from yesterday (Thursday). IT WOULD BE A MIRACLE IF I EVER RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION? I guess there is always hope?

PartsSelect did say they WILL take the part back without question if I do not receive the instructions. I HAVE NOT CONNECTED THE CONTROL UNIT TO MY STOVE!

I, again, was hoping this was a fairly typical problem and someone might have dealt with it before. Like I said I may have the new straps on correctly but I have no way to know for sure?

DanO

08:14AM | 02/16/07
Member Since: 11/11/02
2271 lifetime posts
** It is a Kenmore 911.45569690 but all the models listed in my initial post use the same controller but no way you would have known that. **

If I wanted to go through each of the possible parts lists and compare them, I guess I could have figured that out. That is really a waste of my time and effort when the accurate information is right on the appliance's ID label.

** I was hoping this was a problem you or other forum members might have run into in the past. **

Appliance servicemen come across parts substitution wiring differences fairly regularly, some better documented than others. Unfortunately, they're not all the same (probably understandable considering just GE has hundreds of different controls in use) and it is fairly unlikely I'd be able to remember any one in particular *in detail*, anyway.

** the [original] Oven/Clock Controller P/N as: WB27T10418 **

I am not familiar with the wiring of that control.

** the delivered Controller is a Sanyo/Torisan ERC3B (WB27T10174) **

I am not familiar with that specific control either.

** I can't see the pictures of the new strapping configuration. **

You mean wiring? I'm afraid I would need to see the instructions and/or both controls' markings and possibly the unit's wiring diagram to try to figure out how it gets wired.

Sometimes controls have the terminals marked (eg. BK for bake, BR for broil, etc.) to help indicate their functions. Which wire was which would have to be determined from the appliance's wiring diagram or by tracing them to see where they go.

** I have found excellent color pictures of this control unit online if that would help you? **

Unless the actual *terminal markings* are clearly identifiable, I'm afraid it would not help at all. I'd still likely need to see the same from the control that's in there now and possibly the appliance's wiring diagram too.

Sorry I couldn't help. Hopefully they can get a better copy of the installation instructions for you from GE.

Dan O.

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