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Clint1

05:20AM | 09/16/07
Member Since: 09/15/07
9 lifetime posts
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Hi all. 55 pages of this and no way of searching them, so I have to post this. ;-)

I'm waisting time trying to come to a decision on concrete paint/coating/sealers/stains. I don't know anything about this, never done it before. Zinsser's "Zinsser Watertite Paint" looks like it may be the best I've dome across so far. I just noticed Amour All "Waterproofing Sealer Plus" looks like it may work, but I can't find any info on it nor anyone that sells it. (I'm curious if it has a color, or is it clear. If clear, can it be tinted?) This site is the only site on the planet that even mentions it, that's how I found out about these forums.

According to Rustoleum, that Zinsser line is their line because that product is at one of their other websites, http://epoxyshield.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=696&SBL=5 , but not at the USA Rustoleum.com website. At the USA site it's called http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=167 . They appear to the be the same thing, at least the Rustoleum version is the same as the Zinsser WaterTite Latex version. (What's at the Zinsser link above is the oil-based version).

The concrete is new, just poured several days ago. It's NOT OUTDOOR, it's an indoor climate controlled area part of the main central HVAC and with its own return air. It used to be part of the carport and we enclosed it years ago. We had to get new concrete on it to build it up since it was flooding all the time, but really got bad after hurricane Katrina and Rita. This has been my shop, but became uninhabitable due to mold and flooding, hence the new concrete.

The protection needs to be waterproof, therefore bead water, and protect against spills, some chemicals, food, urine and hairballs LOL, and wipe up easy. Preferably have an anti-mold compound due to the water around the area, that's why I like those two products I mentioned since they both are anti-mildew/mold. It also needs to be semi-gloss or gloss, not a flat finish. Or if flat, it needs to be able to accept a top clear coat with a glossier finish. (Flat is too hard to clean, plus doesn't look good).

There will be no vehicles in the area, just foot (and paw) traffic, and it will have benches and bookcases in it.

I'm sure a lot of you have done projects like this, so please give me your opinions on those 2 products, or if you know of something better please LMK. I don't care if it's a paint, sealer, coating, stain, whatever. As long as it fits my criteria and I'd prefer it not be clear or least tintable since a nice color would be great.

Thanks.

God Bless,

-Clint

Handyman

08:24AM | 09/17/07
Member Since: 11/18/98
187 lifetime posts
For a shop floor that will not have other products or coverings and will be high gloss.

While flats may not look as clean they sure hide scratches better.

Anyway here is a link to a product I found on google.

http://www.armorpoxy.com/armo2.html

Clint1

10:30AM | 09/17/07
Member Since: 09/15/07
9 lifetime posts
(I really hate the fact that we have to put subject lines in every post. Why can't this forum be like all others and just use the same subject with the option to change it if you WANTED to change it?)

Thanks for the info. That looks good, too bad no anti-mold compound though. I'll still check into it because if it's good enough for aircraft carriers it's good enough for me. But it seems to be a bit cost-prohibitive. WOW.

Have you ever used it?

Thanks.

God Bless,

-Clint

Clint1

04:24AM | 09/19/07
Member Since: 09/15/07
9 lifetime posts
BTW I asked them about that product Armorpoxy II and he said it's standard with mold "resistant".

Anyone else? ;-)

God Bless,

-Clint

Clint1

08:10PM | 09/21/07
Member Since: 09/15/07
9 lifetime posts
These forums are rather dead as far as replies go.

God Bless,

-Clint

southernelitecrete

03:27PM | 11/29/07
Member Since: 11/13/07
20 lifetime posts
didn't read it completely but it appears this space is aboveground,,, if so, do your work OUTSIDE, NOT INSIDE !,,, this was my work for 6yrs - nothing stops it inside - you need to do it on the positive (ext) side.

btw, it anyone'd thought, aci recommends 5,000psi for waterproof conc,,, everyone thinks conc's easy stuff,,, it ain't!

good luck!,,, e me if you wish.

Clint1

08:45PM | 11/29/07
Member Since: 09/15/07
9 lifetime posts
southernelitecrete, are you talking about this post of mine here? http://www.bobvila.com/BBS/Please_recommend_best_concrete_coating_to_waterproof_and_protect_it-Masonry_and_Stone-1-T2127.html#2127

Yes, it's several inches above ground. It's been almost THREE MONTHS since it was poured and we STILL have not got the SOB covered. I made the fatal mistake of going with tile. TWICE now the incompetent tile layer has FAILED. The tile would not stick to the concrete. Each tile was concave with the edges curled up! They blamed moisture, even though THEY have given the OK and approval to have the tile laid and used a moisture meter to approve it! Now the tile has to come up AGAIN, and this time they are going to have to go with ceramic/porcelain sealed tile with epoxy grout so the grout won't be porous. Of course each time they wait weeks dragging it out longer and longer and I'm going broke on PODS storage fees. This has been a total disaster and a money trap. I'll NEVER do this again. Maybe by February '08 they'll have it completed.

God Bless,

-Clint

southernelitecrete

08:08AM | 12/05/07
Member Since: 11/13/07
20 lifetime posts
get an water-permeable conc sealer (we use euclid),,, but 1st you'll have to remove all the tileset mtl.

those who think they know it all really **** off us that do :-)

caraltholz

09:22AM | 03/18/08
Member Since: 03/17/08
1 lifetime posts
I am looking for something similar in a waterproofing agent.. for block walls and concrete floor inside the house.. found a product called Blue Max from Ames Research in Oregon or Washington that I am considering...

have no experience in this area but it appears to be a good sealant solution.. not cheap... cost about $165 for a 5-gallon can and does only 2-300 sq. feet.. but I do not want the hurricane rains in again.. I too would like more info but hard to get.

5slb6

09:42AM | 03/30/08
Member Since: 07/28/02
1356 lifetime posts
You don't want to use an epoxy unless you know for sure that there is a vapor barrier under the concrete. The moisture coming up through the concrete will cause the epoxy to peel off and then you will have a real mess on your hands.

There are two companies that I know off that make a product that will work on a floor and it does not matter if there is a vapor barrier or not. They are H&C which is part of Sherwin Williams, and TufTop.The products are called concrete sealers but come in colors, and they are silicone acrylic based.

Hope this helps out.
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