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FumingPlumber

04:30AM | 04/17/06
Member Since: 04/16/06
3 lifetime posts
Bvplumbing
I have been dealing with a slow drain in the kitchen for over 1 month. Had Roto-rooter out twice and a plumber scratching his head over it 3 times. I think I need to start solving this myself. It's getting costly and nothing is helping sofar.

The kitchen (ground level)sink is the only slow running drain. Toilets and showers in basement and on top floor are moving well. Flushing any of those toilets ore running the washer (basement) will cause the kitchen sink to erupt.

1st step was roto-rooter - no help. 2nd, the plumber installed an indoor vent on the kitchen drain - no help. 3rd, as recommended by the plumber, did another rooter treatment - no help. The roto-rooter suggested that the indoor vent was too short and should be raised. 4th Plumber came back and raised the vent - again without relief.

Any suggestions?

Sylvan

02:08PM | 04/18/06
Member Since: 01/24/06
1506 lifetime posts
Me_office1


I hope you got your money back from the franchise wonders.

Many times a kitchen sink blockage should NOT BE SNAKED but water jetted to remove the grease deposits inside the piping

Many of the so called franchise "plumbers" receive 12 weeks "training" not the 10,000 hour (5 year) apprenticeship and no formal education what so ever.

Also if someone installed a vent that terminated inside my home exposing me to dangerous sewer gases I would have no choice but to contact a lawyer and complain about the headaches and ask WHY I needed this type of vent now and not before?

Did anyone bother to remove the trap use a 1/8th stainless steel hose with a penetrating nozzle to cut through the blockage or did some dummy just run a wire into a line poking a tiny hole that will stay clear about an hour or the 1st time it is used?

One has to wonder why local and state governments that supposed to have licensing laws allow a franchise to dabble in plumbing or drain cleaning.

If anything one could have suggested a video inspection using a mini camera or possibly increasing the waste line.

I do believe some folks owe you one heck of a refund for time and trouble you wasted with them experimenting in your home GOOD LUCK IM shocked someone didn't try to sell you useless chemicals to eat the grease or other deposits restricting the flow.

Check out CLEANER publications on the net there has to be one professional drain cleaner/ licensed plumber in your area

FumingPlumber

06:10PM | 04/19/06
Member Since: 04/16/06
3 lifetime posts
No, we did not get our money back. I guess this was not a no-cure-no-pay deal. Why we need a vent now and not in the past 9 months we have lived in this house is beyond me. I think the plumber suggested that the drain might be slow due to lack of venting thus giving grease etc. more time to stick to the pipes.

I was not home when the rooters came by. I know that hey took off the trap, but I'm not sure what kind of device they used. I don't think they jetted it.

We picked the first rooter because he advertised that he could do video inspection. He claimed that video is only for larger diameter pipes. I would love to have a video of what is going on down there. Could our pipes be OK but have a blockage where they meet up with the city sewer? In that case a video would help to motivate the city to dig up the street.

This is giving me a headache, but I don't think it's sewer gas. I'll hold off sueing the lot.

Thanks a lot!

erik peterson

06:41AM | 04/20/06
Member Since: 06/23/03
224 lifetime posts
Simply call a qualified plumber....As stated above most "rooter" companies employ un-trained techs. I doubt your problem has anything to do with the venting and has everything to do with poor plumbing skills. I tell friends and family if the company has rooter in their name dont call them. erik

Sylvan

08:20AM | 04/20/06
Member Since: 01/24/06
1506 lifetime posts
Me_office1
See anything with "rooter" RUN LIKE HELL from these folks after all some of these folks say "training in 6 weeks"

http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbviews/1999/draincleaning.asp

The problem with a kitchen line is grease deposits and soap scum that reduces the inside diameter of the piping.

Snaking pokes a tiny hole in these deposits.

Picture yourself at a sand box place your finger in the sand and pull it out see how it just closes up?

Same with grease now place a garden hose in the sand and see how the water washes it away? Same with high pressure water jetting which scours the drain clean to a like new full flow condition.

I am wondering how someone can charge you for "trying" to do a job they want to be paid for?

Imagine if all aspects of life were that way?

You buy a car and a few weeks later it dies a guy charges you $500 to make repairs and you drive it one block and walk back and he says "Well I tried"

There are words called fraud and good will and guarantee and stop payment on checks or call your credit card company and explain how your paying for the same job three times and still not getting what you paid for.

Many years ago a Roto guy did a job for a friend of mine in another state (Connecticut) which took me 45 minutes to get to his home.

The roto guy could not clear the stoppage but charged any how.

I called them when I arrived at the home and explained the facts of life about calling the franchise head quarters and how I was going to let the consumers affairs know what kind of incompetent NON TRAINED stumblebums they sent to this home and WHO HAD THE LICENSE .

In less then a half hr all the money was refunded.

What I strongly suggest is if you find a good licensed master plumber tell three of your friends about him /her BUT if you find someone who charges for services NOT RENDERED then you tell everyone don't use them.

If enough people follow through this industry will be a lot better off by getting the fly by nights out of this profession

FumingPlumber

12:15PM | 04/29/06
Member Since: 04/16/06
3 lifetime posts
First thank you all for your input!

I have found some things that give temporary relief and may help to solve this puzzle.

I removed the Studor vent (indoor vent), left the hole open and turned on the water full speed. No problem, water goes down easily (If there was a clog, would that happen?). Now I covered the hole with plastic wrap - water backs up and stops until I removed the plastic (got a bit of a shower out of the vent hole, oops).

The reason that I removed the vent was to put a $10 drain cleaner bladder down the pipe. This basically is amateur water jetting. I used that for 5 minutes, reassembled the whole thing - IT WORKED - for 3 minutes. Then it was back to the pokey old drain we knew.

Wondering if it was the jetting that gave the relief, I repeated the procedure but without the jetting. WORKED JUST AS GOOD - for 3 minutes. I tested it directly after reassembly, did not use the drain for 3 minutes, turned on the water and found it to be slow again.

What just happened? Did I allow some gas to escape and helped the drain that way? Why wouldn't the vent do the same? Why would this sink work fine for 9 months without a vent? Could something be wrong with the vent to the roof from the main line making the gas go up this leg of the system?

This is diving me nuts!

Thanks again for your help.

Sylvan

01:40PM | 04/29/06
Member Since: 01/24/06
1506 lifetime posts
Me_office1
The plumbing officals should be hung for allowing an AAV (vent inside the home) to be used.

I guess someone got a pocket full of money for allowing this kind of device to be approved that would allow "sewer gas" to enter a home.

Sewer gas is a complex mixture of toxic and non-toxic gases that can be present at varying levels depending upon the source. It is formed during the decay of household and industrial waste. Highly toxic components of sewer gas include hydrogen sulfide and ammonia.

Sewer gas also contains methane, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and nitrous oxides. In addition, chlorine bleaches, industrial solvents, and gasoline are frequently present in municipal and privately owned-sewage treatment systems.

The principal risks and effects associated with exposure are:

Hydrogen sulfide poisoning. Exposure to low levels of hydrogen sulfide causes irritation of the eyes and respiratory tract. Other symptoms include nervousness, dizziness, nausea, headache, and drowsiness. This gas smells like rotten eggs, even at extremely low concentrations. Exposure to high concentrations can interfere with the sense of smell, making this warning signal unreliable. At extremely high levels, hydrogen sulfide can cause immediate loss of consciousness and death.

Asphyxiation. Methane acts like carbon monoxide, blocking oxygen in the blood, and can similarly cause suffocation and death at high levels. Exposure to lower levels can produce flu-like symptoms such as headache, nausea, and drowsiness. Breathing undiluted sewer gas, even for short periods, as in a municipal sewer line or a manure storage tank, can result in suffocation and death. Sewer gas diffuses and mixes into indoor air, and will be most concentrated where it is entering. It can accumulate in basements.

Explosion and fire. Methane and hydrogen sulfide are flammable and highly explosive.

Certain types of cancers are also linked to "sewer gases" Got to love a plastic device to keep people safe huh?

The stoppage is the least of your problems it would appear


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