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Gary Slusser

05:36PM | 05/16/07
Member Since: 02/17/04
112 lifetime posts
Others like Clack and Fleck, very few problems and they sell many more control valves than Kinetico.

Now if you were honest instead of mad at me, you could talk about your softener with the Clack WS-1 (Noryl) control valve with the same tanks as Kinetico and resin from the worlds' largest resin manufacturer, Purolite, instead of Sybron Chemicals.

Gary

Quality Water Associates

justalurker

05:54PM | 05/16/07
Member Since: 04/25/07
25 lifetime posts
Fleck for sure. Fleck is the defacto standard for generic, no name softeners sold through independant water treatment pros and plumbers almost everywhere and has earned a reputation for reliability and solid service with decades in the field to back that up.

Kinetico has also been around for decades along with Culligan and other branded companies who have built up a loyal following.

Clack is the new kid on the block in the control valve business. Even though it is designed by some ex-Fleck employees it has only been in the field five years or so. Too short a time to put it in the same league with Fleck, Kinetico, and the other long term companies. The Clack may prove to be worthy competition but at this time your insistance that it is a superior valve is ONLY you opinion.

As I have stated before to you, the softener I bought from you is not in service for a variety of reasons. That I was stupid enough to buy a water softener from you does not prove anything except my mistake.

And, don't confuse anger with pity and contempt.

Gary Slusser

08:06PM | 05/16/07
Member Since: 02/17/04
112 lifetime posts
The Clack WS-1 has been on the market 7 years.

Many big old national and regional brand companies that used Fleck valves for decades use Clack today. A few are Water-Right, General Ionics, McClean, Charger, Hellenbran, Water Care etc.. A number of plumbing supply distributors and independent dealers have switched and more do every day. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't count.

BTW, Culligan used Fleck valves for 45+ years and still use them or a copy. All their twin tank softeners use Fleck valves. I see some Kinetico dealers selling the Clack also.

The three ex Fleck engineers, they had a combined 72 years with Fleck. Clack is huge in water treatment and has been in the business since 1947; longer than Fleck (1953). The Clack WS controls are the latest improved version of the world standard Fleck hydrologically balanced piston, seals and spacers design. The Clack WS controls are head and shoulders above the Fleck whatever. I say that based on selling Fleck since 1987 and the Clack (800 roughly) since Jan 2004.

Did your Clack quit working? If so you should have contacted me about warranty service. It's not too late, but then there is your anger... as I told you, kiss kiss'n all will be forgiven.

Gary

Quality Water Associates

justalurker

08:38PM | 05/16/07
Member Since: 04/25/07
25 lifetime posts
So 70+ combined years of former Fleck employees equals 30+ years in the field for the Clack WS!? I don't think so. Reliability is PROVEN with field time and the Fleck has many decades.

As far as major companies using Fleck or Clack valves, they add value to the valve by providing service.

"Did your Clack quit working? If so you should have contacted me about warranty service. It's not too late, but then there is your anger... as I told you, kiss kiss'n all will be forgiven".

The Clack is doing yoeman's work holding a door open in a buddy's shed. It has no problem it just fell out of favor and is being ignored.

If I needed warranty parts replacement I have multiple other sources and frankly, I'd haul it to the dump before I'd do business with you again. So, as far as "kiss kiss'n" you know what you can kiss and keep your forgiveness.

Gary Slusser

08:00AM | 05/17/07
Member Since: 02/17/04
112 lifetime posts
The "employees" as you call them were the Fleck senior engineer (28 yrs), his senior assistant engineer (22 yrs) and another assistant engineer (18 yrs). The senior engineer invented the 5600 valve you tell everyone to buy. LOL

So if you really believe the Clack is less than the Fleck line, you are uninformed/ignorant of the facts or just want to be miserable and "help posters" by not giving them truthful information... Shame on you.

As to your softener being used as a shed door stop, sorry, you've told me too many untrue stories and will have to send a picture showing it against the shed door and then one in your garage without the softener or its replacement. I think it's still in your garage working as designed; despite me as you have recently said.

Gary

Quality Water Associates

justalurker

08:33AM | 05/17/07
Member Since: 04/25/07
25 lifetime posts
I have not commented on the competency of the Clack valve, I take issue with your declaration that it is the BEST control valve because you sell it. It is relatively new (7 years) and has not has the same successfull long term history in the field as the Fleck designs have in the water flow and not on paper or in a post on a forum by a salesman.

People with scientific or technical backgrounds KNOW that the expertise or experience or competency of a designer or engineer DOES NOT equate to proven time in the field.

So, when the Clack has 30 or 40 years in the field and has proven itself the equal of the Fleck designs then it will be recognized as such by people who use the scientific method rather than just sales people.

Regarding the softener I bought from you, I have made you this offer before on the forums, including the forums you've been banned from, you can buy back that softener anytime and then you'll know exactly where it is and what it's doing.

And shame on your for hijacking threads, name calling, personal attacks , hypocrisy, and a blind myopic attitude that refuses to recognize any alternative to anything regarding water treatment that does not put money in your pocket and for trolling for customers on other people's forums.

I need to remember not to argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience.

So, I'm done.

Gary Slusser

06:00PM | 05/17/07
Member Since: 02/17/04
112 lifetime posts
justalurker says: "I have not commented on the competency of the Clack valve".

That's what I said and I also said it is not helpful to posters.

That is nothing more than self serving and only done to benefit yourself in your crusade against me. Shame on you for being irresponsible by using posters for your anger driven revenge.

Gary

Quality Water Associates

justalurker

05:19AM | 05/18/07
Member Since: 04/25/07
25 lifetime posts
So, to disagree with your equipment recommendations and to advocate that a potential water treatment customer look at shopping locally as a place to start and to defend myself when you personally attack me for doing so is anger fueled revenge?

In addition to your hypocrisy, reading things in my posts that aren't there, mis-quoting what I post (on a regular basis), your rudeness, your bullying, your ranting, and your SHAMELESS pursuit of customers on other people's forums WHILE YOU LOUDLY PROTEST THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING IT, we can now add paranoia.

I know you can't accept the idea of shopping locally so you should look into getting some "professional help" on the internet.

Hopefully your problem is simply a chemical imbalance and adjusting your "salt" dose will bring you some peace.

Gary, make no mistake, if you keep personally attacking me I will continue to defend myself.

None of your rantings help posters on any of these forums where you pick fights with people so LET'S KEEP THESE POSTS ON POINT AND STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.

mvog526

06:41AM | 05/18/07
Member Since: 05/15/07
2 lifetime posts
Hey guys,

I've been watching these posts & I think you're both acting goofy! I'm not one to name call & point fingers, however, from a customer status I'd never buy anything from either of you.

Someone has asked for advice & you guys are off in your own little world arguing about "mine's better than yours". Frankly when you use all the technical terms & list all the product names, the average joe (that's me too) has no clue what you're talking about!

I personally think you should purchase a water treatment system from a local dealer. This way if there are any problems with the unit, they're a phone call away. By no means am I saying that your systems aren't good, I just think it's more convenient for a service call.

So boys, next time someone asks a question, give your input & don't try to top each other. I'm going to the guy who treats EVERYONE professionally!

Have a good day:)

Mandy
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