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GeorgeC

06:23PM | 07/04/04
Member Since: 09/26/03
11 lifetime posts
Bvelectrical
I installed a ceiling fan and some interesting things are happening. Maybe someone can help me with the problem.

The room had a light switch but it controlled a wall socket for a standing lamp. I decided to install a ceiling fan with bracket, light box and all. Well all went well with the installation until I turned the power back on and flip the switch. Nothing happened when I pulled the cord on the ceiling fan until I flipped the switch to the off position. The fan start turning and the new light comes on but when I turned the switch to the on position the lamp light comes on and the fan stop and the light fixture on the fan turns off. The connection was pretty straight forward, so I thought. I installed new sheathed electrical cable that ran from the light switch to the fan. Do I need to do something to the wall outlet also. I know longer want the wall outlet to be connected to the light switch and I want to be able to control the fan/new light fixture from the light switch. Thanks for all the help.

doug seibert

06:17AM | 07/05/04
Member Since: 08/10/02
843 lifetime posts
Tell us .....

Do you have additional wires entering the switchbox ?(before your adding some)

GeorgeC

06:37AM | 07/05/04
Member Since: 09/26/03
11 lifetime posts
Hi Doug,

Initially the switch had a 3 wire sheathed electrical cable which connected to a wall outlet. The switch control the top outlet of the socket. The bottom outlet is always hot. I ran a new 3 wire sheathed electrical cable from the switch to the new fan. Thinking that this would control the fan/light. It did but only when the switch is in the off position, I am able to turn the light and fan on using the chain pull but oddly I can control the speed of the fan and the dimness of the light with the dimmer on the standing lamp that is connected to the wall outlet. I would like to have the top socket always hot on the outlet and the switch to control the light/fan only. Thanks for your help.


doug seibert

08:11AM | 07/06/04
Member Since: 08/10/02
843 lifetime posts
The Outlet and your new fan are incorrectly wired in series........

You MAY be able to abandon use of the "switch" with the switched OUTLET(change outlet to always ON)........And Reconfigure and use the existing switch and (12-3)wires to bring "AlwaysHot" and "switched" power to the fan/light.........

ONE QUESTION.....can you verify that the "switch" in question is a single pole or a Three-way switch.......How many Screws/NonGround wire(s) connect?


GeorgeC

03:22PM | 07/06/04
Member Since: 09/26/03
11 lifetime posts
Thanks Doug,

I took off the cover to the outlet to see that the tab was broken between the two positive contacts. I replaced the outlet and all works fine now.

joed

04:04PM | 07/06/04
Member Since: 09/17/02
527 lifetime posts
When you say 3 wire do you include the ground? If you did then you can't have both the outlet and the fan switched. The switch is currently wired as a switch loop and there is no neutral.

If you unplug the lamp I bet the fan won't work at all with the switch on or off.

If there are 3 wires(red, black and white) tell us how they are connected at the switch.

GeorgeC

05:41PM | 07/06/04
Member Since: 09/26/03
11 lifetime posts
Hi Joed,

I connected the two positive (black wires) to the top and bottom screw on the right side of the switch. I connected the two grounds (copper) to the ground screw and twisted the two neutral (white) together with a wire caps. What puzzled me was that the fan/light would only work if the lamp was plugged into the socket. I took off the socket cover and notice that the connecter to the two positive side was removed, and that two of the three black wires was connected via a wire cap two one of the whites. I am assuming this is a normal setup when using one of the socket outlet for a switch/lamp connection. I went out and purchased a new socket and the problem was corrected. The socket is live all the time and the switch only controls the fan/light. I will put a remote on the fan/light sometimes next week when I get the chance so that both fan and light have will its on controls.

joed

11:59AM | 07/07/04
Member Since: 09/17/02
527 lifetime posts
You had a switch loop as I suspected. The proper wiring at the receptacle is now to have all the whites connected together and to the silver screws of the receptacle and all the black wires to the gold screws.

There should no longer be a white and black connected together.

doug seibert

12:54PM | 07/07/04
Member Since: 08/10/02
843 lifetime posts
Glad it's working......
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