The problem comes when the insulation gets cooked from the heat of the new fixture if it isn't already cooked fromthe old fixture. It is usually not a problem until someone removes the fixture. Then the hard insulation cracks and falls off as soon as you bend the wires to remove the fixture.
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Regarding 90c supply conductor, etc. My house is from 1940's. A converted summer home. And yes, I bought the fixture, got it home, unpacked it - and then was able to read the warning. My house sure doesn't have the right wiring. Anne
Regarding 90c supply conductor, etc. My house is from 1940's. A converted summer home. And yes, I bought the fixture, got it home, unpacked it - and then was able to read the warning. My house sure doesn't have the right wiring. Anne
Hi:
My house was built in mid'-late '50, then it's quite old in comparison to today's standard, ... not only 'electrical wiring,' but also 'all other stuff.'
However, my husband and I went to 'upgrade' most of lighting-fixtures all rooms in my house, including 'car-port' and 'outside' lighing-fixtures. Then, we encountered this, ... 90 - 85 degrees 'WARNING,' on their packages. Afterwards, I went to the store where I boughut all of lighting-fixtures(priced around $250.00 in all). The sales person told me that we CAN do that, ... as long as we put the same wattages which is from 65 - 150 watts. He just dismissed 'Warning' signs as saying it's for the sake of 'sue/lawyer' advantage, ... 'Money.'
So, we did it, as believing the sales person's quote. However, for precautious measures, we put 'Energy-Saver'/fluorences-type'/expensive,' all of those 'new' lighting fixutes. We NEVER put 'classis/old-standard light-bulbs, just in case.
The bottom line is, ... if there is such a 'BIG' risk, like 'fire' hazzards or life-threat due to 'wiring,' ... then why the heck many of those 'lighting-fixtures' on the shelves at major home-improving stores??? There are a ton of lighting-fixures at'Home-Depot,' 'Lowe's,' and other 'big to small lighting stores' in my town. Thre is NO warning sign at any of stores, ...'Do NOT purchase 'new' lighting-fixutres *if* houses were built before '85 or before.' Shoud give the warning, ... *ONLY* houses build 'after' 1985. However, I don't see it at any of 'major' stores.
If nobody buying 'new' lighting-fixtures because of 'wiring' stuff, there are MANY, MANY 'returns,' then those 'manufacturing companies' must be stop making lighting-fixutres altogether?
local75
My house was built in mid'-late '50, then it's quite old in comparison to today's standard, ... not only 'electrical wiring,' but also 'all other stuff.'
However, my husband and I went to 'upgrade' most of lighting-fixtures all rooms in my house, including 'car-port' and 'outside' lighing-fixtures. Then, we encountered this, ... 90 - 85 degrees 'WARNING,' on their packages. Afterwards, I went to the store where I boughut all of lighting-fixtures(priced around $250.00 in all). The sales person told me that we CAN do that, ... as long as we put the same wattages which is from 65 - 150 watts. He just dismissed 'Warning' signs as saying it's for the sake of 'sue/lawyer' advantage, ... 'Money.'
So, we did it, as believing the sales person's quote. However, for precautious measures, we put 'Energy-Saver'/fluorences-type'/expensive,' all of those 'new' lighting fixutes. We NEVER put 'classis/old-standard light-bulbs, just in case.
The bottom line is, ... if there is such a 'BIG' risk, like 'fire' hazzards or life-threat due to 'wiring,' ... then why the heck many of those 'lighting-fixtures' on the shelves at major home-improving stores??? There are a ton of lighting-fixures at'Home-Depot,' 'Lowe's,' and other 'big to small lighting stores' in my town. Thre is NO warning sign at any of stores, ...'Do NOT purchase 'new' lighting-fixutres *if* houses were built before '85 or before.' Shoud give the warning, ... *ONLY* houses build 'after' 1985. However, I don't see it at any of 'major' stores.
If nobody buying 'new' lighting-fixtures because of 'wiring' stuff, there are MANY, MANY 'returns,' then those 'manufacturing companies' must be stop making lighting-fixutres altogether?
local75
Local75,
The purpose of a salesperson is to sell things and maybe that explains the completely unqualified advice you received. Your salesperson is not the one risking life & property, you are.
Also, it is the installers responsibility, not the store, to decide which materials are appropriate. Besdies, most people ignore the installation instructions and most are just as likely to ignore the sign in the store. I'm continually amazed by how many people ask for expert advice, get it and since it is not what they want to hear, proceed with what they wanted to do anyway.
This issue does pose a real danger, but the warning is a one size fits all thing. I'd bet that 99.99% of the time this is no big deal. But, if you're the one in 10,000 where it does matter, it can be a very big deal.
The purpose of a salesperson is to sell things and maybe that explains the completely unqualified advice you received. Your salesperson is not the one risking life & property, you are.
Also, it is the installers responsibility, not the store, to decide which materials are appropriate. Besdies, most people ignore the installation instructions and most are just as likely to ignore the sign in the store. I'm continually amazed by how many people ask for expert advice, get it and since it is not what they want to hear, proceed with what they wanted to do anyway.
This issue does pose a real danger, but the warning is a one size fits all thing. I'd bet that 99.99% of the time this is no big deal. But, if you're the one in 10,000 where it does matter, it can be a very big deal.
Hello. I am new here. I read all the posts in this thread with great interest. However, after reading, I am still unsure of one thing. Do newer surface mounted lighting fixtures generate more heat that traditional ones? Meaning: even though it would be wise to replace all 60 degree cable with 90 degree cable in such areas where it will go into a box that will have a light fixture, do I have to perform this replacement just because I have a new fixture?
I think that the warnings should be on the outside of the boxes period. Or they could build a better lighting fixture.
The aggravation of picking out what you like only to have to return it . . . big timewaster.
I wonder if this is mostly a Home Depot thing - perhaps a better class lighting supply store would have better info. Anne
The aggravation of picking out what you like only to have to return it . . . big timewaster.
I wonder if this is mostly a Home Depot thing - perhaps a better class lighting supply store would have better info. Anne
The new fixtures are not lower quality. They warning is there to advise people of a possible safety issue. Apparently the 60 degree wiring has been a source of fires in the past. Learn from others mistakes and rewire the dang boxes.
Why do people keep complaining about saving themselves some risk. Do you have a problem with GCFI outlets?
why don't you wrap your bedposts with Asbestos, that wasn't considered dangerous until the end of the 70s. I guess they must not make good asbestos anymore. (j/k)
I guess I have to put 6 or so new boxes in my attic and wire some pigtails. It is easier than doing when a home inspector visits whey you try to sell your house.
Why do people keep complaining about saving themselves some risk. Do you have a problem with GCFI outlets?
why don't you wrap your bedposts with Asbestos, that wasn't considered dangerous until the end of the 70s. I guess they must not make good asbestos anymore. (j/k)
I guess I have to put 6 or so new boxes in my attic and wire some pigtails. It is easier than doing when a home inspector visits whey you try to sell your house.
http://www.bobvilla.com/ArticleLibrary/Subject/Electrical/Boxes__and__Wiring/PreventingElectricalFires.html
everyone needs to read this.
everyone needs to read this.
My house was built in 1930 and has cloth covered wiring throughout most of it. Some remodels have upgraded wiring. I want to install a new fixture on the first floor. I have plaster ceilings with no real access to the box, other than through the fixture. Am I to rip apart my plaster ceilings and walls to replace my outdated wiring to bring it up to code so I can install a new $30 light fixture?
