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jakelittel

08:57AM | 02/17/05
Member Since: 02/16/05
2 lifetime posts
Bvelectrical
Looking to run circuits to a new room. To limit number of conduit runs would like to run one 1/2 conduit with 2, 3-wire circuits (6 conductors), total of 4 circuits. If I use 12 AWG wire do I get 4, 15 Amp circuits? When I derate for conduit fill (0.8) and attic temp. (O.76) I get 18 Amp as max for each circuit.

Tom O

02:27PM | 02/17/05
Member Since: 09/17/02
487 lifetime posts
More than likely, without getting into the technical details, you will be limited to the four 15 amp circuits.

if you feel the need for 20 amp circuits, try 3/4" EMT with #10 THHN conductors.

Tom

HomerS

02:47PM | 02/17/05
Member Since: 03/20/04
24 lifetime posts
You have it figured correctly.

The derating factor for 4 current carrying conductors is 0.8 and for ambient temperatures between 51°C and 55°C is 0.76. So, from table §310.16 the ampacity before deration is 30A for #12 THHN. (30 x 0.8 x 0.76 = 18A)

In a single phase multiwire circuit the neutral doesn't count as a current carrying conductor for deration (see §310.15(B)(4)). But in your case having 4 or 6 conductors makes no difference.

You end up with a derated ampacity of 18A for the #12 cable.

Based on §240.4(B) you can't round up to a 20A breaker if you have any receptacles on the circuit. If any receptacles are on the circuit you can only use a 15A breaker.

As a side note, remember that regardless of the §310.16 table value, #12 wire is limited to 20A by §240.4(D) unless you have a motor or welder application.

Homer




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