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st3v3h3

11:22AM | 09/03/06
Member Since: 09/02/06
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I really don't know why this is so hard. All the other fans I installed went pretty smooth.

Details:

3 switches on the wall. One operates a light in the room (not connected to the fan), one operates the fan, and one operates the light kit on the fan.

From the Roof... 4 wires. 1 black, 1 white, 1 bare copper, one red.

From the transmittor... 1 orange, 1 blue, 1 white, 1 black one one side (to fan) and 1 white, 1 black on the other side (to house)

From the fan...1 orange, 1 blue, 1 white, 1 black.

Mounting bracket... 1 green

Hangar ball... another green

There are 2 lights on the fan, an upper and a lower. I figure this is why I have a blue and an orange wire from the transmittor and the fan.

I know there are wires freaking everywhere.

I have followed the directions perfectly except the directions do not address the red wire from the house. All like colred wries from transmittor and fan are connected together. The greens and bare copper from the house are connected together. The Black and white from the transmittor are connected to the black and white to the house.

I have double checked to be certain I didn't connect the wronge black and white from the fan/transmittor/house to the wrong wires.

I have tried to cap the red wire off by itself (that worked on other fan installs in my home) but every time I try to turn on the switch I blow a breaker.

The fan part works fine, it is the light portion of the fan that is blowing the breaker every time I flip the switch.

Based on the instructions all I can figrue is that I have not deat with the red wire properly.

I'm about to tear it off the ceiling and return it to the store...

Any one have thoughts?

Tom O

01:48PM | 09/03/06
Member Since: 09/17/02
477 lifetime posts
Try disconnecting the wire that runs from the light to the receiver. Use the remote to turn on the light. If the breaker doesn't trip, then you likely have a pinched wire somewhere in the fan/light.

Billhart

02:09PM | 09/03/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
You talk about a Transmitter. But it is mounts in or with the fan then it is a RECIEVER.

The transmitter is either a handheld unit or one that is designed to replace the wall switch.

"From the Roof... 4 wires. 1 black, 1 white, 1 bare copper, one red."

You mean the electrical box in the ceiling. And there is just that one cable (or conduit) with those 4 wires.

"

From the Roof... 4 wires. 1 black, 1 white, 1 bare copper, one red."

I want to verify that you are talking about the receiver and that it mounts in the fan or ceiling box?

Now I know nothing about the receiver or what it looks like. But I am assume that it is clearly marked which set of black and white wires connects to the power and which connects (along with the blue and orange) to the fan assembly.

So far it all looks right.

"There are 2 lights on the fan, an upper and a lower. I figure this is why I have a blue and an orange wire from the transmittor and the fan."

Does the transmitter allow independent control of the two lights? It may have a separate button or it might cycle, Off, Down, Up, Both, Off. The instructions should mention that.

"I have followed the directions perfectly except the directions do not address the red wire from the house."

The 2nd wire is used to control the lights separate from the fan for a unit that DOES NOT HAVE THE REMOTE CONTROL.

With the remote control that is not used. It should be capped off with a wire nut and then tapped.

"I have tried to cap the red wire off by itself (that worked on other fan installs in my home) but every time I try to turn on the switch I blow a breaker.

The fan part works fine, it is the light portion of the fan that is blowing the breaker every time I flip the switch."

Flip WHAT SWITCH? We have the two on the wall and the remote control.

The one wall switch should stay on all control is done from the remote.

The 2nd switch is no longer used.

It sounds correct unless there was a mistake in the way the wall switches are wired.

The only other thing to do is to open up the wall box and see what you have.

There might be some variation but this is typically what I would expect to find.

A 2 conductor power cable coming in. (Plus all of them will have a bare or green ground and all are connected together). The black will be connected to one terminal on each of the 3 switches. A 2nd 2 wire cable will feed the "other light". The black will connect to the other terminal on that switch.

A 3 wire cable from the fan. The black will connect to the switch used to control the fan. The red will connect to the switch that used to be used to control fan light (if you had one installed before).

There might also be an 2 wire cable to feed other parts of the circuit. The black will connect to the incoming black wire (and those from the 3 switches).

All whites are connected together.


st3v3h3

03:57PM | 09/03/06
Member Since: 09/02/06
2 lifetime posts
Ok before I go any further...

The upper light is now working. YAY!!

The lower light is not working, but it is possible it is a bad bulb. It is a very small halogen bulb and I can't tell if it is bad or not.

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This whole time I figured the middle switch on my wall was the power for the lights. I never even tried to turn the lights on with the remote. You'll see why below.

Now you explained that point to me, it makes much more sense.

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One problem left still. My wall switch has three toggles. Left switch operates an outlet in my room. Right switch is the fan power. The middle switch trips the breaker every time I turn it to the on position.

Now this never happened prior to having the fan up on the ceiling. The middle switch never did anything, but it didn't trip the breaker.

The confusing part is when I disconnect the orange wire (upper light on the fan), I could turn the middle toggle on and nothing would happed. That was good because I didn't trip the breaker. This is why I figured the middle switch operated the lights somehow.

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So now I think I read the remote instructions again just to make sure I don't have to push the buttons somehow special for the bottom light. Or buy a replacement bulb for the botom light. Or if that doesn't work take the fan back and try again with a new one.

BUT...

What about the middle switch. Beacuse even though at least the upper light is working properly, if I turn on that middle switch I trip the breaker.

This is a new home, so I suppose I should have the warranty department come take a look at it. If all else fails just disconnect that switch.

I know the kids will hit it and god I hate having to reset my alarm clock.

Thanks Bill. If you have any more insight for me I am all ears.

Billhart

05:38PM | 09/03/06
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
Verify that the red wire is capped in the ceiling box.

You might get some clue if you open up the switch box as I suggested.

But since it is a new house I would have them check it out.

could easly be a defect from the start. For example bad insulation on the wire and your moving it around caused it to short.

If the bottom light is not a bad bulb then the problem is probably in the receiver or possible inside the fan wiring. In any cause , back to the store.

But now you know that the basic unit is working and it not your wiring.


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