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triroberts

05:17PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 07/15/07
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I just installed a ceiling fan that has a transmitter/receiver. The wiring for the ceiling fan went smoothly, but I'm having a problem at the switch. The problem is that there's too many darn black wires coming out the wall. Originally, there were 3 switches when I purchased the house: 1 for the ceiling fan, 1 for the ceiling fan light, and one for pendant lights elsewhere. I left that last switch alone and everything is fine. On the new transmitter switch that has 3 speed buttons and 1 for the light, there's the green neutral wire and 2 black wires (one marked blue for the light). I hooked the black/blue wire to the red that is in the wall. My problem is that there are 4 black wires in the wall and not sure which too hook up to the 1 black wire on the transmitter. I tried different ones and nothing works. I'm thinking about hooking them all up onto the 1 black wire, but a bit nervous about doing that. One black wire is actually grey if that makes any difference. Any suggestions how to finish off the wiring?

Billhart

06:27PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
". Originally, there were 3 switches when I purchased the house: 1 for the ceiling fan, 1 for the ceiling fan light, and one for pendant lights elsewhere"

First what what cables or conduits are in the box and what was connected to the old switches.

"On the new transmitter switch that has 3 speed buttons and 1 for the light, there's the green neutral wire and 2 black wires (one marked blue for the light)."

The green wire is not a neutral, but a ground wire.

Are there 2 black wires PLUS a blue wire? Or is there a black wire and a black wire with blue strip?

" I hooked the black/blue wire to the red that is in the wall."

What is in the ceiling box? How many cables and what color wires? And what wires from the fan are connected to what wires in the ceiling box?

triroberts

06:40PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 07/15/07
4 lifetime posts
I meant to say "ground" for the green wire.

The black wire coming out of the transmitter has a blue label stating it is for the light. I connected that one to the red wire. That red wire was connected to the original light switch. There was also a black wire (and a green) on that same original switch. The other original switch that controlled the fan, had 2 black wires connect to it (1 on top of the switch and 1 on the bottom (along with another green wire). There is another black or grey wire from the house all by itself. Looking further there's two more wires connected together and another 4 connected together. Those wires were always there not going to anything so I'm leaving those alone.

The ceiling fan itself seems fine to me. From the ceiling there was the black, white, and green wires. They were connected to the same (appropriate) colors to the fan.

Billhart

06:59PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
All of the wiring enters the box in conduits or as acables. Each one of those conduits are cable will have group of wires. For cables there will only be one wire of each color in the cable. And in most, but not all cases, it would be the same.

But looking at what wires are grouped together we can make some educated quesses as to what does what.

Just listed that you have so many blacks does not tell me anything.

Now what I can tell you have one cable with black, red, and white (plus grounds if used).

If this is what I am thinking of the ceiling box only has that one cable and it has black, red, adn white. But that the red is not used.

Is that right so far?

"That red wire was connected to the original light switch. There was also a black wire (and a green) on that same original switch. The other original switch that controlled the fan, had 2 black wires connect to it (1 on top of the switch and 1 on the bottom"

Now that one cable with the black, red, and white then the red connected to the old light switch and the black from that same cable connected to the old fan switch. Is that correct?

Now there where two different black wires on those switches, where did those black wires go?

triroberts

07:54PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 07/15/07
4 lifetime posts
Ok, this is getting interesting. I am looking in the box on the wall where I have/had the 3 switches. I the very back, I am seeing 6 sets of cables coming down. 3 of the cables have a black, white, and ground wires coming out (it's hard to see the other cable as it's in the corner behind the switch I left intact. The other 2 sets have a bonus red wire. (It's hard to follow them all because they are going all over the place). It appears that(5) of the white wires from the various cables are connected together and capped. One of the white wires are going in with a bunch of black wires that are capped. From those capped wires, there are 2 black wires coming out that were used for the switches (my guess it was done to make the wires longer). These are the two wires that went to the 2 swithes I took off and should be used for the new fan transmitter. There is the other black wire that was also used on one of the switches that come from one of the cables in the corner. I noticed the switch that I left alone for the pendant lights has a ground, a red, a black, and another black wire connected to that one switch.

To clarify what was on the two switches I removed: One switch had a ground, and two black wires. The other switch had a ground, a red, and two black wires. The black wires don't seem to come from the same cable since they are actually coming from the group of capped wires.

I hope that all makes sense.

Billhart

08:47PM | 07/16/07
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
"One of the white wires are going in with a bunch of black wires that are capped. From those capped wires, there are 2 black wires coming out that were used for the switches (my guess it was done to make the wires longer). These are the two wires that went to the 2 swithes I took off and should be used for the new fan transmitter."

That bunch of black wires sound like the hot for the power source plus it feed these switches and downstream loads. The two back wires are called pigtails. They are used to make it longer, but rather the you can only have one wire under a screw terminal.

I don't know why the white wire is their. Does not make any sense. But does not seem to be part of this issue.

And yes, one of those two black pigtails will connect to the black on the new remote controler.

"The other switch had a ground, a red, and two black wires. The black wires don't seem to come from the same cable since they are actually coming from the group of capped wires."

Now you means a 3 rd wire on one switches.

It sounds like one of the switches might be a 3 way switch. But I am not sure.

Anyway the there are two many things in their that don't sound right and I am not understanding them.

You really need to get someone to look at this who can see it in person and has some test equipment to verify what wires do what.

triroberts

04:18AM | 07/17/07
Member Since: 07/15/07
4 lifetime posts
Yes it looks very confusing. Thanks for your help. I have a couple of people that I can call, but was hoping to figure it out on my own. Since you think the wire setup is too strange, then I think I better call somebody.
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