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mlr10701

07:33AM | 05/20/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
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We moved in in December and I want to tackle our first re-paint. The room I want to paint currently has white walls and medium tan glossy trim (windows and chair rail moulding). I want to use a deep red (I used Benjamin Moore color chips to decide, if that matters at all) for the walls and a less glossy white for the trim.

Do I paint the trim first or the walls first?

When I paint the walls is it better to edge in first or save that for the last job? Or is it simply a matter of preference?

And what about finishes for the paint? Most of the trim in the house was done in a high gloss, which I really don't like as it really shows the imperfections and brush strokes.

Oh, and I have an unfinished wood storage tower in the room that I'd need to paint also. Just a light sanding, prime, and paint, right?

Thanks in advance.

retisin

01:28AM | 05/21/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
Light sand the glossy trim and prime.Then I would paint the walls first (this way if you get paint on the primed trim it will be painted over anyhow)and if you are able to (quick enough) I would trim in along the way,this will eliminate brush strokes from like where the corners meet and such.
Wait at least (if not in too much of a rush) 2 days then use blue painters tape on the wall and paint the trim.TAKE THE TAPE OFF ASAP!!
Otherwise you will peel the paint off the walls,don't be afraid to let it sit for a few hours afterwards,but sooner the better.

5slb6

02:36AM | 05/21/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
1358 lifetime posts
The first thing you want to do is find out if you have latex/acrylic or oil/alkyd paint on your trim and can do this with some GOOF OOF on a rag. If the paint gets soft and sticky it is latex and if not it is oil. Then you will want to sand the trim to dull the gloss and apply the type of paint that is on your trim now and you do not need to prime.
The type of tape you want is 3M #2080 as this less likely to pull your paint off and I would wait at least 3 to 4 days before taping over the new paint.
You will want to see if they can make your color in red base as this will cut down on the number of coats you will have to appply. Normally these types of colors are made in a base that is clear and you have to apply 5 to 6 coats to get even coverage. The finish should be a satin as a flat in dark color marks up to easy and yes it will show up rough spots in the wall but there are trade offs in everything. You will want to cut in first and then roll and do 1 wall at a time so that your cut in and roller will blend in better.
Good luck on your project and the room will look great.

retisin

02:30PM | 05/21/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
I would use painters tape then you don't have to wait as long.
Also prime then you can use what ever paint you want,seeing as oil is and has more of a gloss to it which sounds like you are trying to stay away from.Primer is also $7.00 a gallon compared to $20.00 for paint so you will save time and money with primer,you will only need 1 coat primer,1 coat topcoat,they can tint your primer alot darker than they can your base paint,if you get your base paint to dark it will lessen the years on your job.Also sanding will make sure that your primer and paint will hold up better.

5slb6

01:43AM | 05/22/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
1358 lifetime posts
I have not heard a good primer that cost $7.00 a gallon and if you do not use the correct primer it will not stick to the oil based paint that may be there. If you go on the cheap that is what type of job you will end up with. If you want to prime you still need to know what type of paint you have on the trim and go with that type of primer, oil over oil and latex over latex and do not use the quick dry primers as they are to brittle for this application. Buy a primer made by the company that makes the finish paint and that way you will not have a problem with compatabilty.
I still do not feel that you need to prime to get a good job.

retisin

06:45AM | 05/22/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
Almost all primers are less than $10.00 a gallon we get 5 gallon pails of hirshfields highbuild for $38.00 a 5 and this is one of the best primers their is unless you use Zinzer,or bullseye then they are like $18.00 a gallon,these are speciality primers though they are made so you can paint right over varnish or urethane if you wanted.You can use any primer on most anything this is why you light sand 1st also.
Everyone knows that oil based paints are almost twice as glossy as latexs,satin or eggshell sheen,which this guy is trying to get away from a gloss look.
Either way you choose will work,depends on the way you want to go is all.

5slb6

01:46AM | 05/23/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
1358 lifetime posts
You would not want to use a high build drywall primer over oil based enamel as it will do stick as it is not made for this purpose just check with your paint supplier. Yes you are correct that for the most part that oil based paints are glossier than acrylics it is still a safe way to go and check it with GOOF OFF to be sure.
Do not use cheap paint as that is what type of job you will get and anyway everyone knows the paint is the cheapest part of the job and the labor to get it on is the most expensive.
With that said you should ask the paint supplier (not a big box) what they reccomend as a primer in your particular situation.
Good luck.

retisin

04:36AM | 05/23/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
I agree with not using cheap paint
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