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happylucky

06:43AM | 07/08/04
Member Since: 07/07/04
2 lifetime posts
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Trying to use red paint for the first time and have already put 5 coats on and it still does not look good. Unfortunately, the worker at the paint store told us that we needed pink primer... so we put 2 coats of pink primer and two coats of red paint on the wall and then went back to the store only to be told that we should have used grey primer.. There are several places on the walls where the color is darker. Should we start over with grey primer or keep putting more coats of the red on? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

5slb6

01:57PM | 07/12/04
Member Since: 07/28/02
1356 lifetime posts
At this point I would stay with putting the red paint on. You should also use a 1/4 inch roller cover to apply the paint as it will put the paint on smoother and more uniform. Also you should be sure to wait enough time between coats for the paint to dry before appling another coat and this most likely will be several hours as these dark colors take longer to cure out because of all the colorant used to make them.


MrPaint

06:54PM | 07/12/04
Member Since: 02/03/03
196 lifetime posts
Happy.......5 is right - at this point all you can do is keep on going.

For NEXT TIME - choose a Ralph Lauren red and use the Ralph Lauren Deeptone Primer with it - it is guaranteed to cover with two finish coats - AND - be the correct color (something you don't get with pink or grey primers)

Mr. Paint

happylucky

05:44AM | 07/14/04
Member Since: 07/07/04
2 lifetime posts
Thanks for the suggestions. We now have 7 coats on and still have a 'picture frame' look. You can tell where we used the roller and brush for the edges. Any suggestions?

MrPaint

09:31AM | 07/14/04
Member Since: 02/03/03
196 lifetime posts
Lucky.........don't cut in again. By that - I mean don't brush and roll the edges separate from the rolled part of the wall.

What you have is called picture framing (or hat banding) and is caused by cutting in every time you do a new coat.

You only cut once (on the first coat) - you also don't cut the whole room and then roll it - you cut and roll as you go - so that you are always working with wet paint.

Mr. Paint

5slb6

04:34PM | 07/17/04
Member Since: 07/28/02
1356 lifetime posts
Mr P.

Are you saying that with a gray primer you don't get a true color even with 2 finish coats over it?

Gray primer seems to be all the rage in the paint industry.

MrPaint

06:01PM | 07/18/04
Member Since: 02/03/03
196 lifetime posts
5...

That is what I am saying. RL colors are hand made - and so are the primers for them. Each poor hiding color has its own color primer - red, yellow, pink, green...each and every one has its own primer color.

Using grey can give you better hide.....but unless it is the correct shade (which is very tough to do - ICI Paints uses a 9 shade system - very complex) it will throw your color off.

This is most noticeable in colors other than red - try grey primer with bright yellow (you will get green) or with pink (you will get a purple hue)

A simple grey primer system that most paint companies use (not ICI's - theirs works - but it is complicated)...does nothing for color accuracy at all...

Mr. Paint
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