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IHATEPAINTING

01:49PM | 08/12/05
Member Since: 08/11/05
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I am using Ralph Lauren paint trying to achieve the antiqued leather look and, try as I might, I cannot get the glaze on without their being a visible line between each row I applied with the roller. I am following the instructions exactly. I noticed on the video they gave me (free with the paint) that there was the same line visible between rows when they did it, even after stippling. Anyone have any tips, beyond the instructions avaiable, on how to blend the rows?

IHATEPAINTING

09:19AM | 08/16/05
Member Since: 08/11/05
3 lifetime posts
I spoke with the RL helpdesk and received the following tips:

1) Do not use air conditioning or a fan while painting. Any wind will cause faster drying.

(So far it looks like this is where I may have gone wrong.)

2) Moisture (humidity) is your friend. It is better to work in humid conditions.

3)Follow the directions exactly: Use 2 people to do the job, one to roll and one to stipple. Make sure you leave the 1/2" gap (minimum) between rows, etc.

Otherwise just follow directions.

I will give this a try as soon as I can and let you all know how it worked out. Unfortunately there are no RL Certified painters in my area (NJ).

Wish me luck, I sense I am going to need it.

clcarson

10:51AM | 08/31/05
Member Since: 11/17/04
6 lifetime posts
My husband and I tried this a couple years ago with all the same problems as you. We used two people, watched the video many times, and executed it as precisely as possible. We had successfully done faux finishes before, and have done the RL Suede treatment with great success. We finally gave up on the RL leather treatment and painted it something else. We had worked very quickly together, but it was awful. We also spent a lot of money on this mistake.

My recommendation is to use a painter who can show you a job where they have successfully executed this treatment, or put something else on the wall!

IHATEPAINTING

12:47PM | 08/31/05
Member Since: 08/11/05
3 lifetime posts
Well I tried my best and it was impossible to eliminate the roller lines. I did the whole room per instructions and there are roller lines everywhere, some worse than others. What I found was that you have to work VERY FAST and you need to pound/pounce (really hit it hard and fast) the brush in the area where the 2 roller edges are next to eachother. You had better work extremely fast with minimum 2 people. Start blending the roller lines as soon as the roller allows you enough room to start working. It is exhausting to keep up the pace but you have no choice. Also, you MUST complete any wall you start.

The good news, it looks pretty good anyway, but not exactly what I was expecting based on the RL brochure. I am going to live with the result.

Some info I got here in the New Jersey area.

1) There are currently no RL certified painters in the area.

2) Spoke with a Glidden rep at the Home Depot I shopped at. Glidden sells the RL line. He suggested I complain to him if I ended up dissatisfied and I would be 'taken care of'. I opted not to.

3) MOST IMPORTANTLY, he suggested with a 'wink wink' to get an extender to use in the glaze. He said you can purchase it from a place like Sherwin Williams. He also suggested that instead of using a lint free cloth to clean the stippler as you work that he uses his pants because it saves time. Apparently every second counts.

I cannot recommend this technique unless you are a rsik taker, you try it by using an extender, use no AC, use no fan, use 2 people (I suggest 3 so one can stipple the edges and be on hand to take care of the unexpected), can work extremely quickly, have really good wrist strength and stamina, and can live with imperfections as part of the end result.

Bottom line, I don't think this technique can work as described for the homeowner. In the end, the imperfection can still have an interesting acceptable look.

Good luck.


tomh

01:26PM | 08/31/05
Member Since: 07/01/03
558 lifetime posts
This was a very well written, and fair analysis of the process. You should copy it to the company. From a formulation point of view, it should not be problematic to extend the drying time to allieviate the problems you describe in blending.

MrPaint

06:38PM | 10/08/05
Member Since: 02/03/03
196 lifetime posts
tomh......that was well written - and RL Leather can be hard to do. Good advice was given by the RL Help Desk.

I would add also that it helps to let the base coats (2 coats of RL Semi-Gloss) dry at least a few days. The directions say 24 hours - but the longer that S/G dries - the harder it gets - the longer the glaze stays wet.

From a formulation standpoint - modifying the dry time of latex products to account for all the environmental conditions is nearly impossible. At the price point that glaze is sold for - it has the longest open time among its competitors.

Mr. Paint
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