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Jay J

06:53AM | 06/16/01
Member Since: 10/26/00
782 lifetime posts
Hi tate16t,

10-4 on the particle board BUT, again, what are the nails/staples going to 'grab' onto??? If you use particle board, I guarantee you that the 3/4" board WILL in short order not hold the flooring down. Besides, if you read the Warranty AND the Intallation Instructions, I will bet dime to dollar that you will VOID the Warranty if you use particle board. Again, BEFORE you buy or install ANYTHING, be sure you read the enclosed paperwork first.

Now, as far as a recommendation, 3/4" varies from mfgr. to mfgr. You will find Bruce in Home Depot. It's very good quality. As for its price, it depends on the wood, the finish, AND where you live.

RE: Engineered Flooring, there are ALL kinds of floors. The price difference will be in the number of cross-layers AND the type of wood in the cross layers. Also, the THICKNESS of the top-most layer will affect the price. Some engineered floors are OK to refinish. Some aren't. AND, this depends on if it's glued or stapled too. You need to ask these questions IN ADVANCE and even confirm it w/the mfgr. Most all of the Mfgrs. have WEB sites that you can e-mail them. Just be CLEAR w/your ?'s and keep a copy of their reply.

I wish I could offer more but you need to do some shopping and ask questions. Believe me, you'll be WELL educated by the time you're through!

My best to ya and hope this helps.

Jay J -Moderator.

PS: Again, BEFORE you buy, if you're thinking of doing the Installation yourself, get a copy (Xerox if necessary) of the instructions to see if you can rent the necessary equipment that's specified in the paperwork. (THey're pretty good about that.) And, be aware that if you do this job on the weekend, is the Rental Agency open if you have a 'problem' or question? (This type of DIY work isn't easy AND you need to know a little more than what just the instructions say. BUT, if you're confident enough, ya know ...)

LDoyle

03:28PM | 06/16/01
Member Since: 06/03/01
327 lifetime posts
here's a site with lots of good info on different types of flooring. Also lets you compare prices and see what warranty applies: http://floorgods.com/productCat1100.ctlg?orderId=&custId=

tate16t

06:03PM | 06/18/01
Member Since: 06/14/01
57 lifetime posts
Thanks again Jay. Maybe I confused things by throwing a second question in the mix. The particle board will (if I use it at this point) be installed on top of a 1/2" subfloor. It will be the final layer. I will install carpet over the particle board. Are you saying that nails or staples will not hold on the particle board when I attempt to secure it to the subfloor? If so, I'll return the particle board and get? Thanks again, I just want to make sure I understand.

Jay J

05:38AM | 06/19/01
Member Since: 10/26/00
782 lifetime posts
Hi tate16t,

Normally, the sub-floor needs to be 3/4" unless it's, say for example, being installed over concrete. (Then, it can be 1/2", perhaps if you're installing carpet ...)

IF your floor is NOT concrete, then there's a pretty good chance that, over a short time period, the screws/nails will work loose if you use particle board. You have to understand that particle board is nothing more than wood chips and glue. It's NOT structural at all like plywood or OSB. Once the 'chips' work their way loose, there's NOTHING for the screw/nail to 'grab' on to. Once this occurs, the particle board will be 'riding up and down' on the screw, and the next thing you'll be asking is, "Why do my floors squeek?"

So, I wouldn't use particle board on the floor UNLESS it was 1) sandwiched between 2 layers of plywood or OSB, 2) I knew I could screw all the way THROUGH the top and bottom layers (in this case.) In this scenario, the particle board CAN'T come loose because of the sandwich. See what I mean?

Neither nails nor staples nor screws will last. IF you insist on using it, then buy 3/8" plywood to make a 'sandwich' EVEN if you're installing carpeting. At least where you can, try and screw the 'boards' to the joists below. Just don't let particle board be your 'last layer'.

My best to ya and hope this helps.

Jay J -Moderator

tate16t

06:18AM | 06/19/01
Member Since: 06/14/01
57 lifetime posts
Got ya! Thanks!

tate16t

04:36PM | 06/20/01
Member Since: 06/14/01
57 lifetime posts
Jay, What's your opinion on Laun underlayment?

Jay J

07:37AM | 06/21/01
Member Since: 10/26/00
782 lifetime posts
Hi tate16t,

Luaun is just that - An underlayment. It's used to essentially 'level' out a slightly uneven floor. Vinyl tile or sheet vinyl or even parquett is installed on top of it. I would not use it under a hardwood floor (if that's what you're considering.)

Read the installation instructions for the flooring you're considering to see if it's OK to use. Also, read the WARRANTY. Both documents contain valuable information.

My best to ya and hope this helps.

Jay J -Moderator

tate16t

03:25PM | 06/21/01
Member Since: 06/14/01
57 lifetime posts
I'm installing carpet.

Jay J

04:29AM | 06/22/01
Member Since: 10/26/00
782 lifetime posts
Hmmmm. You're installing carpeting, eh? To tell you the truth, I don't know if using lauan is a 'good idea'.

Unless someone else comes back to you (on the Forum), in the meantime, I'd ask at least 3 Carpet Retailers. My only concern is how well the tack-strips (which are what hold the carpeting in place all around the walls), will hold and last in lauan. My hunch is no. BUT, maybe you can use plywood along the perimeter, and/or wherever the tack-strips are installed.

I'd be curious what the Retailers (or another Poster has to say), and why. Your question is a good one. (I personally don't know any Carpet Installers so that's why I'm asking you to do this legwork ...)

Jay J -Moderator

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