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jackie61

05:39AM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 02/08/05
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I decided to do the lower bathroom in our split level. I think I opened a can of worms. I removed the toilet and sink and now am in the process of removing the flooring. UGH! I removed the first layer which was a vinyl sheet, under that was tile which I have removed most of. My question is....there is a black tar like goop under the tiles(which was applied to cement) I was told that I should put down a leveler. I'm concerned that the leveler will not adhere to the goop.What in God's name should I do. I'm thinking just to shut the door and deny that that room exists.

k2

05:56AM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Welcome Jackie!

Hopefully one of the flooring gurus will respond too, but I thought I'd put in my two cents as I've run into similar difficulties. So just a couple of ideas to get you started:

First, two questions: (1) What kind of construction are you dealing with (I'm assuming plywood-on-joists, not concrete.) And (2), What kind of flooring will you be installing?

In one case, I basically gave up and did a new sub-floor--yes, pulled up the flooring--plywood and all, right to the joists.

On another project, I built up new flooring on top of what was already there. New concrete-board atop the old mess, then tile (or for laminate, new plywood, then laminate).

One problem with the 2nd method is that it raises the level of the floor--when you enter the room, there'll be a small "step up." But you may not have this problem--because of the number of layers you've already removed! It may not be a bad option for you.

But I'll bet there's a better alternative than just closing the room off forever! :)

Regards,

-k2 in CO

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jackie61

06:41AM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 02/08/05
11 lifetime posts
Thanks so much for your response. The answer to one of your questions is Yes it is a concrete slab. I have a split level and this level is at ground level. The floor underneath is positively concrete with like I said a very sticky tar like goop. The answer to your second question is I don't know.... what type of flooring I'll use. I guess it depends on what that stuff is. My husband is ready to kill me. I was supose to just remove the old wall paper and spackle. The next thing I remember is hauling out the old toilet!!!!!And that's when everything went black. Literally. If you have anymore suggestions PLEASE let me know. Thanks again

ethanbancroft

08:52AM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 01/28/05
11 lifetime posts
that is tile cement tar goop ,you could try putting tile down on it, see if new tile will stay put!

mineralspirits will remove tar etc

be sure to use plenty of ventilation .. Mineral spirits are toxic!

jackie61

09:16AM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 02/08/05
11 lifetime posts
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.. One more question..The tar goop has scraps of plaster and other little peices of stuff. Can I re-apply another coat of it? Cause I really don't want to have to remove it. Thanks

k2

12:19PM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Personally I don't like the mineral spirits idea. It's flammable and (as you suggest) toxic. There's also a possibility it won't work; it may just make a big mess.

OK, about your floor being concrete. So removing the subfloor is not an option. What about that other idea, of laying new plywood (or hardibacker) on top of the old floor, though? But this is definitely getting out of my area of expertise. For one thing, affixing this material to concrete will take some thinking. (Thoughts, anyone?)

I also doubt your old tar will be reusable for new tiles.

Regards,

-k2 in CO

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jackie61

12:44PM | 02/09/05
Member Since: 02/08/05
11 lifetime posts
HUMMMM. Flammable you said. Sounds interesting....TEE HEE TEE HEE. Only joking. I did have concerns about the plywood ie. How do I attach it to the concrete? Oh, by the way did I tell you I have no remodeling skills what so ever!!! I'm learning though. Resourceful and determined, I am. I hope that accounts for something. As I said this started out as a wallpapering project. But that's me. A bull in a china shop as my hubby says. Actually he's not saying much these days...too ****ed off at me. I'm not affraid to do this job the only thing that's in my way now is that darn goop. I agree with you that the tiles will probably not stick. Hopefully I'll get an answer to my question reguarding re-applying somemore tar goop. What do you think about that idea? Can you check with your other moderator buddies? Hey how about Bob? Let's give him a ring... K2 thanks for all your input. I greatly appreciate it. Jackie

k2

04:33PM | 02/10/05
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Hi Jackie!

"Bull in a china shop"--why do I find this so easy to believe? :) Only kidding!

Sorry but as a "moderator" I don't have much "pull" getting others to chime in with their two cents. Hopefully Floorcraft or one of the others will see it and respond. It is kind of up to individuals, and their schedules, etc.

And if I had pull with Mr. Vila himself, heck, I'd have him and his crew out to visit me in an NY (or is it a Boston?) minute!

One of the best ways to get answers is to stay active in the forums. So if you feel you're not getting much response in the next few days, heck, just fire up a new post with your latest questions at the moment!

Welcome to the forum! I think it's people like yourself that make it fun!

And as for your hubby, tell'm to get to work and give you a hand, OK? :)

Take care Jackie!

Regards,

-k2 in CO

Moderator, Miscellaneous Forum

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jackie61

05:30AM | 02/11/05
Member Since: 02/08/05
11 lifetime posts
K2, Would have responded quicker but I was laughing to hard when you said to have my Husband help, took me awhile to catch my breath. Electronics he's a wiz. When it comes to this stuff FORRGETTABOUTIT. We argue tooo much. Actually, for the last year or so we've had major renovations done here. Two new bathrooms and the kitchen.(Contracted out, of course) The kitchen is awesome by the way. So I think he is still shell shocked over that. The last thing he wants is another project. The house has four floors now I'm working on the 3rd. Family room for the kids and their friends. The bathroom is off of that room. I just couldn't leave it half done.

I also posted my question on Ask the experts.

Where you have someone contact you (for a fee of course) Heck, I figured it was worth $10-$20 to get an answer. Two days and no response. I think your right. I'll just stay active (I 'm sure I'll have plenty more questions) and maybe I'll get an answer. Actually heading over to your neck of the woods (miscellaneous) I have a grout question ( Not getting any answers on the tile and flooring area)Also need to find out if the guy ever found out what that smell was in the bedroom. I actually put my two cents in as well. Thanks for your help...If you ever get answer let me know and If I do I'll foward it along to you. Take care...Oh, by the way I'ts a NY minute (I should know being from Jersey) :)

k2

05:44AM | 02/11/05
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Hey there Jackie!

"EXPERT IN ELECTRONICS!" Don't fall for this lame old excuse! Don'tcha know that this is just about every husband's line to just TAKE OVER THE REMOTE CONTROL and NOT DO ANY WORK!!??

OK, only kidding! :)

Oh yes, I knew it's a NY Minute....just that Bob seems to be in the MA area so much.

And yeah, just keep your questions coming. I know Floorcraft (and other pros) frequent the site sometimes. It's just a question of timing...good luck. You might also try a local tile store; they can be pretty helpful. Plus see lots of good examples. I love going into a good tile store--except that it usually costs me money...

Regards,

-k2 in CO

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http://www.bobvila.com/BBS/Miscellaneous
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