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jfalbo

05:10PM | 02/09/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
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We have a problem with our siding on front and back of our 2 story home. It is occuring on first floor only, same area in front as in back; i.e., not entire house. It is dark brown in color and feels sticky. I can remove it with bleach, however it returns after a short time. Our home was once stained dark brown and the problem was noticed after restaining a much lighter color so it may have been occuring for awhile. The house is 15 years old. I have had 2 roofers and plumbers out to see, and everyone is stumped. The siding looks like it is bleeding. Anyone encounter such a thing before I start tearing off siding and/or interior ceilings? Thanks for your input.

JFalbo

OddBall

08:38AM | 02/11/07
Member Since: 11/10/06
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What type of sidding is it ?

What style of home is it ?

I,ve seen a few instances, from birds, bugs and bees to sweating and leaks !! Keep in mind sidding is meant to shead water and not water proof. Water developeing behind or carried behind, picks up particles, and stains will occur where it drains. Underlaymeant should be water resistant and allowed to breath.

jfalbo

11:55AM | 02/11/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
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We have cedar clapboard and our home is a 2 story colonial. We have had 2 roofers out and both agreed the roof seems intact. If the water source is from an interior pipe - water or drainage - wouldn't we also see water damage inside? How do insects/bees create water damage or bleeding?

JFalbo

OddBall

08:29AM | 02/14/07
Member Since: 11/10/06
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OK, Colonial two story, clabboards, leaks on first floor only, good clues. step by step I`ll eliminate possibilities. Clabboards lap 1" 3/4 minus exposier. If you have additions with roof lines diagonnally down the plane, the first piece of stepflashing MUST drain on to the face of the last cut siding that starts up the run. A good way to tell is that you should be able to see the bottom of the first stepflashing. If you see the stepflashing drain behind the siding, the paint under the butts will keep it from draining out and still, if the lap is below the first stepflashing all the water will drain behind all the siding and the Tyvex paper or underlayment will keep it from showing up inside for years,but it will travel and show up on joints and weaknesses in the paint as drips that appear as bleeding. Also check the foundation to see green growth indicating draining from behind siding. If the siding is cut too close to the roofline you will get the same results as above.

If you have no lower rooflines, disreguard this reply and I`ll move on to another possibility. A photo of the entire side of the house would help alot.

tmtorrijos

06:07PM | 02/19/07
Member Since: 02/18/07
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I actually found this site because I was looking for some information about what I call my "Amityville Horror House" (because it's bleeding)! We also have a 2 story colonial, built in 1979. We have Hardiplank siding. I don't think it was ever stained, always painted. A year and a half ago, we had liquid siding put on the house. Now, there is a section on the second floor (we've seen it a couple of other places, but it's most concentrated in one area) that has reddish brown liquid lines running down, from under the siding. It's actually quite a lot! We suspect that freezing temperatures at night with warmer days aren't helping since we're seeing some of the siding start to bulge outward. On the interior of the home at that point is a closet, though there is a bathroom nearby. We've had some folks come look at it and they have suggested that the gutters need to be cleaned. Well, that was a simple solution, but the problem persists despite our clean gutters. We've checked the attic, but no signs of moisture leaking in there.

jfalbo

06:34PM | 02/19/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
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Sounds like a very similar problem - my husband and I have joked that we should just call a priest for an exorcism. We have cut holes in the ceiling thinking it was a plumbing problem, however, all pipes/drainage seem intact. We think it is a siding problem. Will post pic within a day or two. We have wet insulation as well as ice blocks seen from interior against exterior walls. Please keep in touch.

JFalbo

tmtorrijos

03:10AM | 02/20/07
Member Since: 02/18/07
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We just washed it off 2 days ago, but as soon as it returns (probably within a week), I'll post pix.

jfalbo

06:47PM | 07/12/07
Member Since: 02/08/07
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After many months we finally solved the mystery! Our laundry room is located on the 2nd floor and our dryer vent hose/pipe disinegrated inside the ceiling. Since I am constantly doing laundry, it was "spewing" moisture everyday into the walls and ceilings which in turn exited through the siding. We rerouted the venting through the attic and out and problem solved. Hope this will help someone else.

JFalbo

techomaniac

07:10AM | 01/04/10
Member Since: 01/02/10
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Hello,

I just noticed that my siding was bleeding all over the house and the siding has also warped quite a bit in a few places leaving some gap in the siding! We are really concerned why this is happening? Any answer would be much appreciated. Image attached.

Cheers!

OddBall

06:03AM | 01/08/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
138 lifetime posts
What type of siding is it ? Either way, warping is almost always due to fastening (not enough) and that leads to improper insallation wich causes all kinds of issues. I cannot find the image attached !! Let`s start with the type of siding and how it`s terminated.

tmtorrijos

11:28AM | 01/08/10
Member Since: 02/18/07
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Okay, so here we are three years later, and things are no different. We've had people come and take off the siding in that area, just to see if there was any moisture behind the siding. Things were bone dry! The only thing we wonder is this: when we had the house painted a few years ago, several pieces of siding had to be replaced. Could this mysterious brownish bleeding be from having used incorrect nails? Could the nails used to attach siding be rusting? That's the color we're seeing. Neither of us remember whether or not siding had to be replaced in that area of the house or not. We're just brainstorming!

OddBall

01:23PM | 01/08/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
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Streaking is almost always a leak. The color of the streak can tell you that the water is traveling through or over wood sheething/frame. redish brown is one of those colors. Photos` Taken from close and afar say alot

dld92760

10:17AM | 01/12/10
Member Since: 01/11/10
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So I have read with interest the "bleeding" from the siding. I too have the brownish/Red bleeding going on (East side of the house). I had Hardiplank put on in Spring of 2008. I had significant water damage from leaky windows and so had to replace sheathing and new siding (along with a new pella window). Then last winter (Feb-Mar 2009), I had my first Bleed in one spot. Then just this week (Jan 2010), it finally got above 25 degrees and the bleeding began but in several spots and with a significant volume. I haven't confirmed that it is just on the east side but I haven't seen it anywhere else. I don't have a mosture issue that I can detect. What is the latest on this mystery?

OddBall

02:30AM | 01/13/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
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You would be surprised how ice can get behind your facsia and accumulate behind the siding. When melting happens it begins to run out the butts. The streaks are what`s left when it dries out after. This happens with all types of siding. The tanic acid from the wood is the stain, even with vinyl, if it hits wood first.

Most of the time it is due to roofing flashing or gutters that have weaknesses under ice dams,while rain wont back up. Clogged gutters can do this in the summer too.

techomaniac

06:43AM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 01/02/10
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Hello,

Thanks OddBall for your reply.

I am not sure about the type of the siding.

I have attached a picture to this post. Please let me know if you can view it this time.

There is a lot of warping as well along with the "bleeding". The builder is Richmond American.

Cheers!

Bharath
3431 bleeding and warping

dld92760

08:29AM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 01/11/10
3 lifetime posts
Just wanted to comment that you picture shows the same thing I am seeing. I would guess from your picture that you have hardiplank as well but I will yield to those more experienced. Do you happen to have buffalo board/fiber board used for sheathing?? My guess in my case that somehow my buffalo board is getting moisture and the brownish/reddish color is coming from that. Would OSB give the same color?? My problem has only occurred coming out of a cold situation and we just had some nasty snows with whispy like snow that may have gotten undernead the hardiplank and somehow passed moisture through the tyvek and then melted when it warmed up. can you tell I am guessing??

tmtorrijos

09:30AM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 02/18/07
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I'm glad someone finally posted a picture of this because it's exactly what I see. The problem now is this. . . I've had roofers come out and assess. They've found nothing wrong. We also keep our gutters clean, since that was one of our first guesses. Are we doing any sort of long-term damage to our home by just leaving it or should we try something else? The bleeding happens on the back of the house, so we are really the only people who see it. It's only a problem in the winter.

OddBall

01:41PM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
138 lifetime posts
News flash, "After a cold flash", "only happens in winter" are better clues than that photo will give.

C`mon,..show me a little more than that !!

A well cleaned and maintained gutter full of ice will allow ..Back Up of ice under dripedge flashing at the bottom (eves) of the roof, it will also allow ice or melting to get behind the gutter if it does not have caulking over the back of it. Both of these senerios` allow the water to get to the back of the fascia, from there to the soffit, from there down behind the siding. Because everything is frozen, gaps and vents or spaces in the soffit are bypassed by ice bridge. If no soffit, even easier.

What I see, is run-out of a leak or damming problem, I`ve seen enough stains on clabboards to know. However, this is a first assesment of intel provided, and not me being there.

I started with the most common cause from the gutters. There are others, especially if you have dormers or vallies, skylights ect. ect. A wider photo of the wall is needed so I can see the contributors !!

OddBall

01:46PM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
138 lifetime posts
To answer the question of long term damage. YES !!

Unless the Carpenter ants attracted to it , fix the damage, it will get bigger every season, and that`s not to mention the mold that will settle in or possible framming failure due to it !!

tmtorrijos

03:16PM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 02/18/07
5 lifetime posts
We're happy to "fix the damage", but no one can tell us what is damaged. As I've mentioned before, the professionals who have come out can't seem to find anything wrong, so we're stumped. The first roofer who came out suggested that we put exhaust fans in our bathrooms, which we've done with no success. We do have one other professional in mind who hasn't seen it in person (although he has heard about it), and we're going to call him next week.

I appreciate all your help oddball. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted. I do feel a little better just knowing that other people have the same problem.

OddBall

05:34PM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 11/10/06
138 lifetime posts
tmtorrijos,

Your problem only happens in the winter durring melting, Right ?

It`s almost always Ice damming getting behind the gutter or under the roofing. Sometime dormer flashing.

To give you better advice, I need a photo of the wall from a few feet back so I can see the entire wall plus gutter/roof, and a photo from the top of the gutter showing inside down the long way so I can see the top of the gutter and roofline. The signs will tell me the rest.
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