I thought your comments earlier about not debating this in public was a good idea; and I was going to drop this conversation. However; your relentless, bogus comments about Leaf Relief deserve some attention. It appears as though you are trying to defame the Alcoa Leaf Relief product.
Pardon me Tim but I just want to apologize to any folks who are reading this; looking for gutter protection products; I normally do not engage in debates on here; but Alcoa's Leaf Relief is what I install; and I think it's worth setting the record straight; so folks please pardon our dust. I am not affiliated with Alcoa in any way, other than I just install their products on a local level; so I really don't have anything to gain here (or an axe to grind) other than defending a great company and product.
Ok, Tim, back to you. Alright, you say you have the following "FACTS". Facts are usually backed up with evidence. So please provide evidence of your listed facts here so I and everyone else can see them, if you can. Make me and everyone else here a believer of your claims and I will drop this debate. Here are your claims or so called facts about Leaf Relief:
1) debris decomposes and does not blow off the panel as claimed;
Please provide proof over and above Alcoa's disclaimer which is no secret which states:
"In most cases, normal debris is lifted away with only a gentle breeze. In sheltered roof areas or overhangs on shallow pitched roofs, debris may collect where air cannot lift away debris. We recommend occasionally cleaning these areas to keep Leaf Relief working properly".
And I will emphasize that this disclaimer has very rarely applied (if at all) in my own personal dealings with over 1000 customers and zero complaints with the BBB.
2) When it clogs, and it does clog, it will overflow over the lip of the gutter;
Please provide proof that Leaf Relief has clogged or that a gutter has clogged (over and above the disclaimer).
3) And the 10 year no-clog warranty is for the INTERIOR of the gutter only, and does not warrant that the gutter protection product won't clog.
Please provide proof that Leaf Relief has clogged over and above the mentioned disclaimer.
Yes Alcoa does offer a 10 year (interior) no clog warranty. Looking at your web site, I see no mention of an interior or exterior no clog warranty. The only warranty I see is for defects in material or workmanship. So, if I was a consumer which one would I choose if both products were about the same price (it's a no brainer)?
While we are on the subject of facts, I think I'll list a few facts, for folks, backed with evidence. Your product is a reverse curve product like many of the other products out there.
You claim your reverse product will handle 6" of rain water per hour. Alcoa's Leaf Relief (Gutter Clean Systems) system has been tested and handled 32.9 inches of rain water per hour (based on a 20' run). Source - Intertek Testing Services, NA LTD. - An independent accredited labratory.
Reverse curve products have been known to produce abnormal amounts of icecicles in cold climates, creating slippery spots on driveways and sidewalks. Check out the Garden web and folks that are commenting on their results with reverse curve products:
Click here and compare reverse curve systems with the Alcoa Leaf Relief system:
Folks, if you ever get the opportunity to see an in home presentation of these reverse curve products on a gutter, take a piece of paper and rip it up into little pieces. Take the reverse curve sample under your sink and run water on top of the product and drop the small pieces of paper on the sample. I won't tell you where the paper goes, you can post it on here and tell me. Just imagine if the paper were a leaf or some other debris.
And finally Tim, if you want to open this can of worms any further, just keep posting and I'll keep responding.
Have a great weekend, and I'm sure I'll be hearing from you soon.