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LarryG

04:56PM | 06/07/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
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could be that you had a short before that you didn't know about.

try disconnecting the new pigtail grounds (temporarily)and see if it stops tripping the breaker,then post back and tell me what happened when you did.

LWagner0222

05:59PM | 06/07/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
9 lifetime posts
Thanks for your quick response. I really appreciate it. However, I disconnected the pigtail grounds and went back to the electrical box to hit the power, and got the same response from the switch - it goes on, but trips. I've since tried several runnings of the blue wire, as I read other hints from similar frustrated people as me on similar matters. But nothing. The main box switch keeps tripping when I go back to resupply the power.

Any additional suggestions are welcome.

LarryG

03:44AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
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start from scratch.take the switches out. leave the wires disconnected.then engage the breaker.see if it stays untripped.if it does then turn it off.then using a continuity tester see if any of the outgoing wires to the lamps,fan,heater is giving zero ohms to ground.

also another thought is are you sure the new switches a 3 single pole and not a three way device? this i doubt but it's a possibility of a bad switch also.

post back.

LWagner0222

08:28AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
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I disconnected the switches, as you suggested and hit the main power. The main switch again tripped. And, yes the new 3 rocker switches are single pole (Leviton Combination 3 switches - item 1755: http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-004-1755-a-Three-Rocker-Switches/dp/B0006DNQWA)

This URL shows the switch on amazon (although I bought them at Home Depot)

I can't understand why this one "simple" project has gone wrong. I've installed the new rockers switches elsewhere in my new home without any trouble. This one switch box with 6 switches has stumped me.

I've attached a photo (if it comes thru) of the current hook up. In this it shows the box and wires with the switches removed - although pictured next to the box. What you're seeing is the blue wire coming in from the bottom left, a new blue tied into a wire nut and stripped at one point for the switch before reaching another wire nut. The next piece of wire continues for the 2 switch (again stripped at one point) before connecting to the out wire leading up and out top right. I've also tried pigtailing 2 new sections of blue wire at the entry point wire (3 wires with wire nut) with each separate piece of wire to each individual switch before connecting to the out piece of wire with another nut. The green wires are the new pigtails I added to connect to the green screw on the new switches.

Any additional thoughts? Thanks again for your continued help.
8229 still trippin

LarryG

08:35AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
seperate the incoming and outgoing blue and see if that changes anything.

LWagner0222

08:42AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
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Disconnected the blue in and out wires at the middle nut, hit teh switch at the main again and still trippin.

LarryG

08:44AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
do you feel comfortable with removing the cover of the breaker panel?

LarryG

08:57AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
are you sure it's tripping and not just failing to reset?

LWagner0222

09:01AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
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the switch moves to the on position, but then clicks half way back.

And, yes I am ok with removing the panel. What am I looking for?

LarryG

09:08AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
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you want to disconnect the wire from that breaker just to verify that you have a short.

throw the main,disconnect the wire,turn the main back on,then see if the breaker will reset.

also(i'm sure you know this)you have to move it back to off before it will reset. i'm sure you know that.

post back.

LWagner0222

10:05AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
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Unfortunately, when I removed the front panel from my electrical panel there is no Main Breaker. There are 2 sets of double handles switches joined together as you would see normally for the main, but they are located mid-way down the panel, have Thick Blue wires for one set and Thick Red for the other set. When turned off the power to the house remains on. I'm thinking the main is elsewhere, but yet to locate it. (Which I need to do now that it's my house)

I've inspected the wires back at my wall box to ensure no wearing causes wires to touch and short. Do you think have multiple nuts (blue cut wire) is causing too much in the box (more than it's capable of handling)?

I guess I'm needing to call in a professional? I was hoping to avoid the expense, but I'm at wits end over this seemingly simple project.

LarryG

10:18AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
whatever it is it isn't in that box you were working on.

see if you can find the main shutoff.

another thing before calling electrician would be opening everything that that breaker controls and looking for shorts.

LWagner0222

10:42AM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
9 lifetime posts
We are experiencing severe thunder storms right now, so I will continue my search for the mains in a little while. I wanted to thank you for what you've helped with. This forum is amazingly helpful and will keep it in mind for future household "frustrations" :-)

I owe you a beer anyway.

Laurie

doug seibert

12:18PM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 08/10/02
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What is going on in the bottom right of the switch box......

Enlarged and pixilated it looks like the white wire is stripped and attached to the metal box with the green wire and green screw ?

Does the circuit breaker that keeps "tripping" have Test/reset buttons.....

"......measure Once.....cut Twice....

throw that one away and cut a new one...."

LWagner0222

01:24PM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
9 lifetime posts
The 4 white wires (one into the box and 3 out) are all clean and joined in a proper wire nut. The new green pigtail ground wires were simply attached to the box, with the other end to the new switch - as the string of comments above states.

LarryG

02:12PM | 06/08/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
i am inclined to believe that this is an issue with the breaker just not reseting and not an actual tripping situation.

one way to verify this would be to disconnect the outgoing wire from the breaker.

if it still won't go back with the wire off then that's what it is.

they felt ok with going in the breaker box but i didn't want them to try it without cutting off the main.

LarryG

01:51PM | 06/11/08
Member Since: 07/22/04
649 lifetime posts
just wondering.

LWagner0222

01:59PM | 06/11/08
Member Since: 06/06/08
9 lifetime posts
Sorry, I wanted to respond as a final follow-up, so thanks for the message. No, they're not working, but the bathroom (where the switches control) is going to be remodeled within the next month I'll wait to have the contractor find the short.

Thanks for all your help.


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