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Penny1962

08:33AM | 02/08/08
Member Since: 10/07/07
3 lifetime posts
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I hired an electrician to install a large chandelier in June of 2006.

This past Monday it fell and barely missed me and debris went everywhere.

I called the electrician to let him know about this, and he said he would come out the next day and bring his insurance man with him and do an inspection.

He didn't show and did not call to explain why.

My husband called him the next morning (this morning) to find out why he didn't show. He didn't explain, he told my husband he was out on a job but would "stop by" in about an hour.

That was 3 hours ago and no word.

What are my rights if any?

Penny Shelfer

Billhart

09:56AM | 02/08/08
Member Since: 04/25/05
1916 lifetime posts
This is really a legal question and an electrical one.

First we don't have any idea of my it fell. Might be the manufactures fault or a defective mount box. And was it existing or did he install it? And did who supplied the fixture?

I think that in most states that there is warantee for 1 years (unless he specified otherwise) for this kind of work. But that is work HIS WORK and at this point you have no idea if it was his work.

For tort claim you often have 2 years AFTER THE DAMAGE. But again you need to find out who is at fault. And I don't have any idea of what kind of standards you have in your state (or another state) for something like that where the initial work was done well in the past.

Penny1962

10:15AM | 02/08/08
Member Since: 10/07/07
3 lifetime posts
Thank goodness, the electrician showed up, 3 hrs late, but he did show.

When he installed the fixture, he did not have all the parts needed so he went to Home Depot and bought the eye bolt (I think that is what he called it) that the chadelier was affixed to.

That piece is what we think caused the fixture to fall out of the ceiling because it broke apart at the weld.

He told me that he called a lighting store and told them what happened, told them that he bought the part used to hold the weight of the fixture at Home Depot, and supposedly the lighting store person told him that HD purchases parts such as that bolt from overseas. My electrician said that he thinks it is a substandard metal and that is what caused the bolt to break apart.

Personally I have no clue about that.

He said that piece is rated for 75 lbs so it should not have failed. The chandelier weighs 40 lbs.

Honestly I don't know what to think. In the meantime I plan to take the bolt to HD and check to be sure it has the proper rating, and let someone there know about the incident.

The electrician said he thought there should be no problem with his insurance company reimbursing me the full amount of materials and labor, plus the cost of repairing the ceiling, so I'm feeling better about it all.

Hopefully everything will work out.

Penny Shelfer

Penny1962

07:32AM | 02/09/08
Member Since: 10/07/07
3 lifetime posts
My husband and I took the part to Home Depot. We found out the part is rated for up to 50lbs, not 75lbs as the electrician had previously stated.

Then I called Lamps Plus, they carry the exact lighting fixtue, and I asked what the weight of the fixture is. I found out the hanging weight is 65lbs!

They were kind enough to give me the direct number to the manufacturer customer service so I can have the spec sheet faxed to me.

It looks like that explains it. I'm not sure where to go from here, but at the very least we're going to make sure the man knows that his carelessness could have caused injury or possibly death.

I am also wondering if some sort of safety device is typically installed as a fail safe against this sort of incident. Any suggestions are very much appreciated.

Thanks

Penny Shelfer

Billhart

08:32AM | 02/09/08
Member Since: 04/25/05
1916 lifetime posts
I have not installed anything bigger than what would be directly supported by a ceiling box.

I think that they for HUGE ones they often have safety backups, but not sure.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1177057.html

"4,500-pound chandelier damaged in Missouri Capitol mishap"

"Mosby said Friday's mishap appeared to result from the failure of a mechanism connecting the chandelier's cable with one supporting a 4,000-pound counterweight. Mosby said three safety clamps were supposed to support the structure if something broke, but they pulled off."

It was being lowered at the time.

But they report an earlier fall.

"In late 2003, a 600-pound brass chandelier dropped nearly 50 feet in the Senate chamber, smashing an antique mahogany bench in front of the dais. No one was injured in that accident, but it prompted inspections of all the Capitol's chandeliers, with safety cables installed on some."
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