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December 26

11:54AM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 12/25/03
3 lifetime posts
Bvelectrical
Hello Anyone,

I purchased a new ceiling light fixture for my dining room. My wife did not like the old one. It hung too low. When I uninstalled the old light fixture and put the new one up, it was evident that the new one also hung too low. So, I took the new one down and reboxed it.

My question is what do I do now with the existing wiring? I put a wire nut? on the main feed line (that has two wires) and put a wire nut on the ground. I tried to turn the circuit on at the breaker but it wouldn't let me. I don't know much about electricity. Should I put the main feed together with the ground in a wire nut?

any help would be appreciated

DanO

02:36PM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 11/11/02
2293 lifetime posts
** I took the new one down and reboxed it. **

And put nothing in its place??

** My question is what do I do now with the existing wiring? I put a wire nut? on the main feed line (that has two wires) and put a wire nut on the ground. **

If you'll have no fixture there until you get a replacement, a wire nut (and/or electrical tape) can be used on each separate wire to keep them from coming into contact with anything else.

Do NOT join the individual wires together or you'll create a dead short if you were unable to disconnect power at the fuse box and someone turns the light switch on.


Dan O.


[This message has been edited by DanO (edited December 26, 2003).]

k2

04:07PM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Right on, Dan O!

Till you get your fixture up there, white should have its OWN wire nut. Black should have its OWN wire nut. You don't want either of these wires coming into contact with each other, or to ground.

I'd also do some "belts-and-suspenders" protection: tape over the light switch to the fixture in the OFF position until you get the new fixture installed. And of course shut off power before you do your connections.

I'd advise taking a class on household electricity--or at least going to your local library and doing some reading. There is a surprising amount of stuff to know involving even relatively simple connections.

By the way, welcome to this board.

December 26

07:19PM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 12/25/03
3 lifetime posts
Thanks folks,

I put a wire nut on all 3 cables (the 2 main feed ones and the ground) and electric taped each nut to the cable. I could then turn the breaker back on. It just makes me kind of nervous with it hanging out like that, but I guess it's an o.k. remedy for 48 hours or so.

The reason I turned the breaker back on is b/c that breaker is for the downstairs lighting and I wouldn't be able to turn the lights on.

I went back to get a light that didn't hang so low, got home, opened up the box and it didn't have all the parts so I couldn't put anything up. Maybe in a couple of days.

Just curious, with it all "nutted up" like that, is there any cause for concern if someone flicks the light switch on in that room? Should I shut the breaker off for the time being and just get by with candles until I purchase another stupid light fixture that has all its parts?


thanks and I appreciate the responses

God bless message boards

December 26

07:37PM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 12/25/03
3 lifetime posts
Thanks for the responses,

I did some searching on the web and nutted up each individual strand. Three nuts for the main feed (2) and the ground (1).

Then, I went out and bought another light fixture that didn't hang so low, but when I opened the box, it didn't have all the parts it is supposed to have. It had the glass shade and the ceiling plate but it didn't have the mounting strip or the nipple. Now, I have to go back for the 3rd time. I will probably do that in 48 hours or so.

Questions:

1. Is it o.k. to leave the wires exposed but "nutted up"? Should I shut off the circuit breaker? That particular breaker is for the downstairs lighting (kitchen, dining room and outside lights). I'd rather not shut it off if I could get by. What would happen if I turned the light switch on in the dining room? I have turned the breaker back on.

2. K2, I don't have a white or black wire. I have a dull yellow wire that is split into two. When the wire is exposed I think it is a copper color. The ground wire is copper. Not sure if this is important, but wanted to give you the scene.

thanks again

plumber Tom

09:10PM | 12/26/03
Member Since: 05/10/03
810 lifetime posts
Well you sure did open up a can of worms k2 lmao! 1st of all this this is not electricity 101. #2) we are not there to see your actual dull wires. #3) holy moly I'm starting to sound like dp in the fix-itFore'm LOL. No just kidding the wire nuts are safe capped off individually. The dull wire u might be seeing can be a nuetral (white) that has faded. Just remember the black is "hot" or "live" or "feed" wire. The white wire(s) are alway's nuetral (common) The bare (green) is ground. Umust know 2 important things: clean and tight. any electrical connection must be clean and tight.

k2

05:31AM | 12/27/03
Member Since: 06/06/03
1250 lifetime posts
Curious, "dull wires". I suspect Tom is right, that maybe the white has "yellowed."

By "split in two", do you mean there are 2 separate "dull" wires coming in from above? (This can be the case if there's more than one light fixture involved.) If it's not what you mean, please respond.

There really should be a WHITE, a BLACK and a GROUND. Perhaps 2 of each if there's more than one switched fixture. If that's the case you probably need to "pigtail" your new fixture....your previous fixture would've probably been wired that way. Again, if you're seeing more than one of each wire, please post a reply.

So take another look--can you tell the black from the white up there--or the wires so far gone that you can't see the difference? If that's the case, maybe your old fixture had too hot a bulb in it or something(?)--it may be time for an electrician. I mean, it's OK to save a few bucks here and there--but starting a fire would hardly be worth it!!


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