03:39AM | 02/20/07
Member Since: 04/09/06
17 lifetime posts
Consider this...(no matter what caused the problem....)

If your basement walls develope cracks and begin to break, would you rather have a "superior" cement wall 1.5 inchs thick resting on gravel; or a 6 inch thick poured cement wall that actually sits on a footing?


02:49PM | 02/20/07
Member Since: 08/26/05
8 lifetime posts
I all I can Say I'm Sorry to hear Your experiances with Superior Walls is horrible!!

In the Toledo, Ohio area which we reside, Superior Walls of Ohio manufactured the basement walls and also set the walls in Place.

One last thing in the 29 plus years of Highway construction and Engineering I Have Yet to see a POURED CEMENT WALL.


03:17AM | 02/21/07
Member Since: 04/09/06
17 lifetime posts
I should has elusidated... 1.5 inch versus 6 to 8 inches. I would rather have 8 inches.

I bet you will find that Superior Walls of Toledo isnt really SUPERIOR WALLS CORP. There is a BIG difference


02:17PM | 02/22/07
Member Since: 11/12/06
5 lifetime posts
Truewbil, as you well know the integrity of the superior wall system is based on the 1.75" skin AND the studs that are 5" thick - together AND the steel reinforcing. The walls and andy concrete can flex but do NOT stretch (to the point that your claims could be true). The bowing that you have been whining about exceeds the properties of concrete. You have been crying and spewing hatred for months about something that has absolutely no effect (negative or positive) on your home. What qualifications do you have to support your assumed expertise; your statements show that you do not understand the concept of the system which the science of engineering continues to validate. To get some understanding, answer this question: what does the poured wall footing sit on? The answer may wake you up. You sound like a bitter old woman who has buyers remorse. Have some intellectual honesty and find something productive to do.


03:30PM | 02/22/07
Member Since: 11/12/06
5 lifetime posts

Any building project cannot be better than the people that produce it, no matter what the system used is. All the common systems (block with reinforcing, poured, superior, general precast)will work well in your case if the proper measures are taken to account for the out of the ordinary forces that may be present in YOUR scenario. Garage door width openings require reinforced headers, fluid ground or high wind load areas require lateral resistence when most foundations only consider compressive resistence (vertical), etc.

The superior walls system is a clever feat of engineering - it needs to be produced by competent and conscientious people; and the installation has to be by the book.

In your case, since you want to rise up ten feet off the ground, and subject to horizontal wind load and accidental collision, you should have the any system engineered for your specific application (500.00 - 1000.00 dollars). Then you must make sure you get good people to follow the engineer's spec. Keep in mind that the taller a wall gets, the less inherent stability it will have.

If it was my property, I would look to use a 10' superior wall bolted to a 4' superior wall burried underneath it. A good superior wall dealer can do the engineering for your specific needs.

I hold a professional degree in architecture, have been building for 22 years, I have used the superior wall system in two large homes - 10' tall on slopes, and one standard 8' tall. There are no problems with any. I evaluated all factors before building. For example, both homes that are on slopes are over 100' wide and I placed the 4 foot wall under the 10 foot wall in the back to anchor it and to frost protect it. All my systems have the bulges in places (it is not a problem). Look at the bulged sections before the back fill and you will see that the skin side is not bulged.

I hope this helps


04:19PM | 02/22/07
Member Since: 02/16/07
2 lifetime posts
I have asked many people about superior walls in my area and all say it is a great product. My next question does it matter who i get superior in nc or sc. is there a difference between plant that make the superior walls or should I get the best product for any one plant. We are thinking about going down 3 or 4 feet down and the front side to the river will be down 3 to 4 feet but the side to the drive way will be full 10 feet exposed but the 3 sides will be under. What would you suggest in this case. Thanks Chris


03:27AM | 02/23/07
Member Since: 04/09/06
17 lifetime posts

I have 2 engineering Degrees myself. Regis College of Denver and From Trenton State. The problems I have seen are absolutely install and concrete company related. The "System" is great in theory

I believe a bad installer of a block wall can still mak wall that wont collapse but a bad installer of a superior wall can cause much more serious damage.

When the superior wall installer made the garage wall system, he had no extra reinforcement between garage door bays. The garage door headers send all their weight down between the doors. The entire weight of the building sat on a sill plate and 1.5 inch of concrete wall. I had to dig it out, scratch out the foam and fill the area with concrete or risk a collapse. I was not involved until a fews weeks after the walls were installed so I never saw the plans...


03:36AM | 02/23/07
Member Since: 04/09/06
17 lifetime posts
I heartily recommend you have an engineer carefully look over the plans and wall design unless you have experience with building stress. Garage door openings, corners, basement openings, window lentils and seams are all potentially dangerous areas in a structure because of the down and sideways loads. The installer often has no idea what home or building is going to sit on their basement walls so the engineer has to follow the building pressure points down through the basement walls to the earth to make sure everything is safe for the homeowner.


04:00AM | 02/23/07
Member Since: 04/09/06
17 lifetime posts
I did not ever buy or have a superior wall personally. I know of them because of problems individuals encountered and then asked me to investigate. The things I have seen led me to believe that in numerous cases (especially southern NJ)there is a disconnect between superior wall producer, wall installer, home contractor and archetect. And the homeowners have no idea that "Superior Walls" does not warranty the product. EXAMPLE I have seen: The homeowner and Archetect change a section of their home from a truss to stick built roof AFTER the original plans went to the superior walls fabricator. The archetect changes the forces but he/she does not realise the superior wall may now collapse. ...and the installer/fabricator responsible simply closes his business and reopens another name leaving a homeowner stuck with no recourse. I hope it never happens to you.

Please behave professionally going forward.
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