05:08AM | 06/06/05
Member Since: 05/30/05
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to all for your comments.

finding a good roofer--or one that cares about actually finding a leak and fixing the problem rather than just shlopping on shingles is tantamount to winning the lottery...maybe i should have mentioned that i live in Orlando, FL whereby a freak of nature we got hit by four hurricanes last year and roofers have enough to keep them busy for 2 years and can charge what they want -- we had to wait 4 months to get our roof fixed and we still have this problem.

All that being said, i'm still also trying to digest everything that homebild said (although alot of houses here have the same gazillion angles and don't seem to have a problem).

I guess in a nutshell, gotta keep plugging away to find a quality roofer--and/or an engineer. Any of you have any knowledge of my area and any referrals?

Also, you mentioned you couldn't really tell from my photos--would it help if i took closer ones or ones from on top of the roof? I'm gonna try that and will let you know when they're up



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12:49PM | 06/06/05
Member Since: 03/27/05
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It's quite possible I could tell you what's wrong...or at least narrow it down to 2 or 3 items if I saw 2 or 3 photos....more or less "overhead" shots and a couple close up shots.

IF you're handy, might even be able to walk through a repair.

So now Florida has the sad experience of a flood of roofers...90% who know next to nothing...and as you mentioned, don't care a wit passed a check/beer/drugs money. Maybe it's just more of an insult at this point after you having gone through those devestating storms. But it's certainly not fact I believe it's almost the rule...crap work that is, by guys who don't know, don't care...or both.

If you take some new pictures, just take them from any angle you think might help...and of all the various flashing points, abutments, valley/wall juncture, etc.

A roof CAN be your friend


08:32AM | 06/08/05
Member Since: 05/30/05
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Sorry it has taken me so long to upload new photos but it has been raining non-stop here for the past week+ and it just now gave me a chance to crawl up there....

Hope these shots give you a better view....

thanks again for your help--look forward to your response...

Here's the link


08:33AM | 06/08/05
Member Since: 05/30/05
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oh, and i figured you could figure out what angle they were taken from in reference to the original pics so i just labeled them A-F for reference purposes.


doug seibert

11:11AM | 06/08/05
Member Since: 08/10/02
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I'm not a roofer....but I am in Orlando.......

There's no flashing protecting those shingles at the wall.....

Just blobs of Roofing cement on the exposed nails....

the stucco on the upper wall near the gutter looks damaged .........


02:41PM | 06/08/05
Member Since: 07/01/03
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I see the same problems Doug notes, especially the lack of continuous flashing along the wall which should come over the top of the first set of shingles, and no evidence of step flashing along the slopes. Also, the closed valley is not woven, it is cut off on the left side. This may be OK, depending on whether the valley is flashed or shingles run up under the left side, this is a great spot for leaks, and it terminates at an outside corner with no kick-out flashing. The vent stack was not fitted with a new collar or flashing.

This link provides a quick guide to some types of flashing that apply:

This shows what a woven valley should look like in a roof and how it is built:


03:06PM | 06/09/05
Member Since: 03/27/05
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The lead pipe jack is not flashed in correctly with the shingles. Since the boob who "roofed" this made such a simple error as that, and judging by the photos, it's safe to say you need an expert in roof repairs. All that stuff could be permanently fixed by someone who knows what they're doing. Although the photos don't show flashings at the wall, it's possible there are some, maybe installed before the stucco was installed???

This type of repair might cost someone $600-800 or so around here, by someone I'm extremely close to...wink, wink.. just depending on how much ultimately needs to be removed then redone. But where you're at, things sound a bit haywire.

Although all the roof/wall abutments look suspect, I suspect the bottom of the valley even more. It looks like it ends at the wall, a bad thing to begin with, and any flashing work at the corners of things, like skylights, walls, etc. are common sources of leaks because the flashing is sloppily done. But the fact the valley ends there...somewhere, compounds the situation.

You might try doing a temporay fix on it if it's going to be a while before a real roofer can make corrections. I'm just thinking of plastic roof cement. But due to the fact the valley abuts the wall, or least the corner, is going to make it difficult to "goop" it into submission. Might be worth a shot though, rather than watch your drywall fall apart.

A roof CAN be your friend


11:00AM | 07/11/05
Member Since: 07/09/05
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I had started a new thread on July 10 -- New roof or repair leaking roof--

After reading the new replies on "Leaking roof" I realize my problem is somewhat related. I live in California and do not have any ice or snow so the information about ice shields doesn't seem to apply.

The latest advice a roofer gave was to put a sealant over all the tiles and this would take care of the leaking problem.

I'm not at this point why they don't recommend a new roof but after reading the horror story of"leaking roof" I realize even a new roof may be an iffy solution.

Also, even though the discontinued tiles have a "50 year warranty" with the roof approaching 20 years old I wonder if it makes sense to keep repairing, although the three roofers who have come have all recommended to keep repairing by lifting tiles (we are running out of my stack of extra tiles and some tiles break when lifting them to replace the felt).

Although "Leaking roof" has a new roof which leaks -- it scares me to read that I could get a new roof and still have the problem.


04:45AM | 07/12/05
Member Since: 05/30/05
12 lifetime posts
I couldn't find your thread but just wanted to let you know that I have been extremely pleased about the quality of service through this website--the comments and moderators are great so you're at the right place and I am sure you will find someone to help with your problem. It's the quality of workmanship that's the problem, so if you're REAL lucky, maybe even some of these guys are in your area and can help you directly. I will try and give you another reference if i can find it--maybe send me a link to your thread--it is from a gentleman in PA that specializes in hard to find leaks and he was very helpful as well....

The verdict is still out on my roof--I applied some more caulking/roof cement in strategic places as suggested but since it just happens occasionally and mother nature hasn't seemed to cooperate as of late, am not sure if it's ok. But, no leaks so far, so i'm happy.
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