10:23PM | 07/09/05
Member Since: 07/09/05
2 lifetime posts
Hello, I have a roof with Patton-Ketch concrete shingles/tiles. (The Patton-Ketch tiles have been discontinued. For the last 3 years, new leaks have shown up in one or more of these rooms -- kitchen, dining, or living room. A roofer has pulled up the tiles in the leaking areas, replaced the felt, and put the tiles back down. The roofer tells me that the felt was poor quality. The roof is now 15 years old.

In addition to the roofer that is making the repairs, I contacted one other roofer who also told me I didn't need a new roof, just repair the leaks. Last year I had to replaster about 15% of the kitchen ceiling after the rains. After reading the bulletin board discussion about a new roof that leaked, I now realize that I could get a new roof and still have leaks. Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you much.


04:48AM | 07/12/05
Member Since: 05/30/05
12 lifetime posts
I just posted a reply to the one you made on my thread and just found your s so i thought i'd post it here as well. I'm not an expert but just wanted to let you know that I have been extremely pleased about the quality of service through this website--the comments and moderators are great so you're at the right place and I am sure you will fnd someone to help with your problem. It's the quality of workmanship that's the problem, so if you're REAL lucky, maybe even some of these guys are in your area and can help you directly. I will try and give you another reference if i can find it--it is from a gentleman in PA that specializes in hard to find leaks and he was very helpful as well....

The verdict is still out on my roof--I applied some more caulking/roof cement in strategic places as suggested but since it just happens occasionally and mother nature hasn't seemed to cooperate as of late, am not sure if it's ok. But, no leaks so far, so i'm happy.

Good luck with your roof!


05:35PM | 07/13/05
Member Since: 03/27/05
95 lifetime posts
The key to installing any pitched roof in a leak-free manner nearly always comes down to the flashing work. Whether it's concrete tile, asphalt shingle, shakes, metal shingle, metal panel, etc.

Tile roofs should be installed in such a way that the entire underlayment "system" is completely flashed in and watertight to begin with..."prior" to tile installation. Then as the tiles are installed, it should be flashed again.

Otherwise, any water migration due to broken tiles, sideways migration between the tiles, etc. can allow leaking.

Without seeing your actual roof in person, I'll guess that you have flashing problems.

What you need is not simply a guy who calls himself a need someone who, in addition to installing tile roofs, specializises in reparing them and correcting deficient work. It realy IS all in the workmanship and knowledge of the individual doing the work.

A roof CAN be your "friend"...rather than "that thing you hate".


06:03PM | 07/13/05
Member Since: 03/27/05
95 lifetime posts
One more thought....

IF you should ever come to the decision to have a new roof installed, make sure you don't fall into the "trap" I've seen numerous folks fall into over the years, by getting a new roof, only to encounter the very same leaks, AGAIN. Sometimes even on 3 roofs in a row.

This happens because many, if not most, roofers obviously reuse the old flashings and flashing "systems" when installing the new roof material. Since these original flashings are deficient in some way, the same old problems are simply passed on to the new roof. Sometimes these leaks will show up imdeiately after getting the new roof, other times it may take a year, or even sevewral years for them to show up due to the use of "goop" to fill in "holes", "openings", "gaps" and other areas/junctures, and abutments the roofer may notice. Rather than fabricate the flashings, of adequate size, configuration, etc. and tying them in properly with the roof materials, the typical "roofer" will simply bam through the job, getting through it to the ultimate bottom line for him...which is simply getting paid. I cannot exagerate how bad this problem is in the industry. It's like a runnaway train at this point. I'm sure there may be areas of the country which have a "better" supply of knowledgable people doing this work {although I don't know where that is}.

Price is important to everyone, but hold up the competency of the roofer you're looking at as well, in importance. It's not easy, as most folks are not roofers, they will rely to a large extent on the "raport" established with the potential contractor. This has its place, but it will not TAKE the place of doing real research into the person you're looking at, such as multiple references you've actually talked with...and to the extent you can educate yourself on just exactly what's needed to correctly install a leak-free roof, you can then ask the person questions...designed to expose his/her knowledge or lack of it.

A roof CAN be your "friend"...rather than "that thing you hate".
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