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03:11AM | 01/26/08
Member Since: 01/25/08
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I have a ceiling fan and light on the same switch. The outlet is on another switch which currently is used for the light in the bedroom. How can I change it so the light on the ceiling fan comes on with the switch that goes to the outlet and the outlet is no longer on the switch, but it can still be used for normal plugins?


06:52AM | 01/26/08
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
You can only control them separately if there is 3 wires (plus possibly a ground wire from wall switch box to the fan box.


06:22PM | 01/26/08
Member Since: 01/09/07
199 lifetime posts
Assuming you have 3 wires from the switch box to the fan/light location (as Bill said). Then this is what you do:

1. take the 2 wires on the switch that controls the outlet off the switch, twist them together in a wire nut, and push them into the back of the box. Now the outlet will always be live.

(Your 3 wires to the ceiling are probably white, black, and red. That's what I'm assuming in the following.)

2. In the ceiling, connect the red hot wire to the blue wire controlling the fan. Then connect the other end in the box to the switch that used to control the outlet. That's now your fan switch.

3. In the ceiling, connect the black hot wire to the light. Connect the other end in the box to the other switch to control the light.

4. Connect the incoming black hot wire in the box to BOTH switches. This is your power from the breaker box.

5. Connect all the white wires together, in both the ceiling & the box. Also connect any bare ground wires together.

Now you should have the outlet always hot, and 2 separate switches for the ceiling light & fan.

P.S. You don't have to do it this way. You can get duplex switches, where 2 switches fit sideways in the space where you have a single one now. Then you could have 3 switches in that wall box, 2 for the ceiling light & fan, and leave the current one that controls the outlet. If you want to still have a switched outlet.


08:56PM | 01/26/08
Member Since: 04/25/05
1915 lifetime posts
You never know when you will run into switch leg wiring. With the 2 switches in the box it is more than likely that power comes into that box.

But it could well have switch leg wiring for either or both switches and infact the fan and recpetacle might be on different circuits.

That is why I like to wait for them to respond back and start talking about what wires that they have.

Manytimes people have posted mesages -" I relplaced the light and connected all whites together and all blacks togehter. It works until I flip the switch (ON) and then circuit breaker pops."


07:26PM | 01/30/08
Member Since: 02/22/07
5 lifetime posts
I agree with Tim and Bill who know their wiring.

If you don't happen to have that red wire to control the fan and fan light seperately you can use a couple of wireless receivers in the fan and a dual rocker Decora switch in place of the switch that currently controls the fan. This is similar to the stacked switch but its side by side instead of stacked. The best wireless switches don't take batteries or power but there are a lot of options out there. Lutron makes one (radio Ra) Enocean (no batteries) X10 (no CFL bulbs) do your research and find one that works for your application.



01:41AM | 01/31/08
Member Since: 01/25/08
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We do know the switches and outlet are on the same circuit. Unfortunately the fan was already in place when we purchased the home, and we are adding the light. Since the fan was already in place we don't know exactly what wires are in the attic, so we will need to investigate further before installing the light. The remote is an option we will also consider. Once we know more info we will post it so maybe it will help others in the same situation, as I know many homes have switched outlets. Thank you for all your info. It's been helpful. We will get back to you with an update as soon as possible. If you have any additional helpful hints let us know! Thanks again!


06:44PM | 10/19/15
I have a bathroom fan and light that are wired so that they both come on with the switch. I want to figure out how to resolve this problem so they can be on separate switches. I have 2 sets of wires coming into the box (2 ground, 2 black and 2 white). Is there any way to do this with only the 2 wires, I imagine running new wire to the fixtures is difficult now that the house is finished?

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