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BV002735

04:08PM | 12/07/13
I had to replace my kitchen light. It was simple, connect the ground wire with the ground wire on the fixture and cap off. Connect the white wire with the white wire on the fixture and cap off. Connect the black wire with the black wire on the fixture and cap off. These were the only wires in the ceiling and attached to the fixture. When I turned the power back on the light came on but I had the light switch in the off position. The light switch doesn't turn the light off and on. The light stays on all the time so I disconnected the ballast.
Could it be the light switch that needs to be replaced?

Duane, Moderator

09:32PM | 12/07/13
Member Since: 11/14/13
90 lifetime posts
You are limited to possible problems, it sounds like you wired the light correctly based on your description.
I would replace the switch next. The Black wire is the power, white is neutral and bare or green is ground.

Good luck

BV002735

02:09PM | 12/08/13
Thank you for responding. I actually replaced the switch this morning. The light still staying on and the dimmer switch for the dining room always worked but now I have to move the dimmer switch down to turn on instead of up after replacing the light switch for the kitchen?

BV002735

03:50PM | 12/08/13
Also forgot to mention, the light continues to stay on, changing the switch did not fix this problem.

BV002752

02:18PM | 12/09/13
Sorry forgot to mention that, but the old light was also flourescent. So does the dimmer need to be replaced as well? But the dimmer is for a separate light in the dining room.

BV002758

12:05PM | 12/10/13
I guess I need to switch wires because there were only a black, white and copper wire coming from the ceiling and a black, white and copper wire on the fixture which the instructions said to just match up with each of same wire in the ceiling. Will try what I was going to try which is the last resort and that is connect the fixture black wire with white wire in ceiling and connect the fixture white wire with black in ceiling.

Thank You.

BV003067

09:38PM | 01/19/14
Did that work?

BV003288

10:22PM | 02/18/14
I wired 2 3ways switches and than 3 flouresent lights coming directly from the breaker panel. I have voltage at the lights but they will not turn on.

BV004074

05:38PM | 04/27/14
did it work - I have same problem checked everything - want to try and connect white to blacka nd black to white but waiting to hear if it worked for you

BV004593

04:36AM | 06/07/14
Did you manage to fix it?

BV004686

10:54AM | 06/16/14
I turned my light switch off and there was still a red light coming from the circuit


BV004960

07:09PM | 07/12/14
replaced 1 of 2 light fixtures in bedroom ceiling. White to White Black to black and gound. switch turned off. put light in and it came on the other light did not - it is working by the switch. Help!!

BV000193

09:51AM | 07/13/14
Bulb is too loose.

BV006006

05:02PM | 10/13/14
Light fixture just 2 wires, The box had 2 white, 2 black and 1 red and a ground. Put the red and blacks together and the whites together now although the lights will light when the bulbs screwed in but the switch won't turn them off.

BV006128

02:06PM | 10/26/14
Having the same problem. Switch worked with old light. With breaker on, whites together and blacks together and grounded switch doesnt turn on or off. Light just stays on.

BV000193

06:19AM | 10/27/14
When you took it apart and put it back together you got the wiring goofed up. It's as simple as that. Nothing mysterious about it

BV006904

09:59PM | 02/03/15
Mine is doing the same thing I've tried wiring it every way possible but it still will not shut off at the switch

BV006990

04:33PM | 02/15/15
We're having the same problem... Any info?

BV007451

10:39AM | 04/04/15
Try removing the switchbox altogether, and leaving the wires disconnected but safely separated. Then turn the power on. If the lightbulb comes on with the wires completely separated, then that is not the correct line to the fixture, and is why the light is always staying on no matter what you do. If it is the correct line, then you must be wiring incorrectly to the switch. Sometimes dual switches have little metal tabs that link the parallel poles on one side, and you have to break them off to isolate a pole. Perhaps this is the case? maybe send a picture of the backside of the switch so we can take a look.

BV006507

01:16PM | 04/04/15
They shouldn't even be monkeying around with it.It's Asinine.

BV008441

04:00AM | 07/24/15
Had the same problem. Switches we're fried.

BV009094

04:56AM | 10/01/15
I wired two lounge lights and a kitchen light together in the ceiling it have black wire red wire and copper for ground so i connected the same cable that are use in the ceiling to the switch but it does not turn off or on it stays on so i need to switch it of or on by the main bord please any solutions and i changed the switches twice please help what can be the probleme

BV009463

06:55PM | 11/09/15
I had the same problem, this is what you do, take all the black wires in the box and put them together, take the red wire only and put it to the black wire on your fixture, and put the white wire to your white and green to ground, all the black wires in the box stay in the box it make the light stay on because stay hot, I hope that this will fix your problem. Jean

BV009606

07:19PM | 11/25/15
I put new wire in panel then new junction box in. Ran wire to ceiling light then ran wire to switch on wall. The minute I turn on breaker the light comes on no matter what the light switch does. Need help

BV010276

07:42PM | 01/26/16
OK.
Light switch uninstalled
Wires from switch are separated and covered.
Turn breaker back on and light still comes on.

Obviously wiring was messed up somewhere, but how do you figure out which wires are the ones for the switch?

BV011432

10:18AM | 04/28/16
I actually have not hundreds of dollars to fix a light switch I am not an electrician but at the same time and intelligent and confident and confident maybe it is a fuse box thing or possibly something as simple as just replacing a switch or maybe we connected some wires please help me tell me what you think

BV012901

12:13AM | 09/18/16
I had the same problem. I solved the problem by following one of the answers posted here before: "Try removing the switchbox altogether, and leaving the wires disconnected but safely separated. Then turn the power on. If the lightbulb comes on with the wires completely separated, then that is not the correct line to the fixture, and is why the light is always staying on no matter what you do. If it is the correct line, then you must be wiring incorrectly to the switch. Sometimes dual switches have little metal tabs that link the parallel poles on one side, and you have to break them off to isolate a pole. Perhaps this is the case? maybe send a picture of the backside of the switch so we can take a look. "

I disconnected the switchbox wires and the light was still on when the connection was black-to-black. I rewired all the lines and connected the black line of the fixture to the red one from the celling box. I was able to turn the light off.

BV013530

04:12PM | 01/07/17
Hi I have a box with a dimmer switch in it and an electrical outlet in it. I replaced the dimmer switch with your standard on/off switch and now the light wont turn off. The box has two sets of blk,wht,grounds in it. I tested both w/mulit meter both are live. I tried just the switch, i spliced whites together and put 1 blk wire on top and 1 on the bottom of the switch, swaped blks around it still stays on. I tried just the outlet with all the wire still stays on. It wasnt until i unspliced the white wires the power finally went off to the light. Light turned off at breaker. I tried a different light switch it just stayed on. Im guessing they used a dimmer switch so you can actually turn the light off. I had just a dimmer switch I swaped out for a standard switch that on works fine.

BV013530

04:13PM | 01/07/17
Hi I have a box with a dimmer switch in it and an electrical outlet in it. I replaced the dimmer switch with your standard on/off switch and now the light wont turn off. The box has two sets of blk,wht,grounds in it. I tested both w/mulit meter both are live. I tried just the switch, i spliced whites together and put 1 blk wire on top and 1 on the bottom of the switch, swaped blks around it still stays on. I tried just the outlet with all the wire still stays on. It wasnt until i unspliced the white wires the power finally went off to the light. Light turned off at breaker. I tried a different light switch it just stayed on. Im guessing they used a dimmer switch so you can actually turn the light off. I had just a dimmer switch I swaped out for a standard switch that on works fine.

BV013530

04:14PM | 01/07/17
Hi I have a box with a dimmer switch in it and an electrical outlet in it. I replaced the dimmer switch with your standard on/off switch and now the light wont turn off. The box has two sets of blk,wht,grounds in it. I tested both w/mulit meter both are live. I tried just the switch, i spliced whites together and put 1 blk wire on top and 1 on the bottom of the switch, swaped blks around it still stays on. I tried just the outlet with all the wire still stays on. It wasnt until i unspliced the white wires the power finally went off to the light. Light turned off at breaker. I tried a different light switch it just stayed on. Im guessing they used a dimmer switch so you can actually turn the light off. I had just a dimmer switch I swaped out for a standard switch that on works fine.

BV014137

03:17PM | 06/22/17
Help

BV014320

03:08PM | 07/21/17
?

BV014698

08:41PM | 09/14/17
I had a series of florescent lights in my garage come on for no reason the other day. I tested the switch with a meter and it was OK, it was correctly switching the hot line to three lights. after an afternoon of testing continuity of each leg of the circuit I discovered continuity between hot and neutral on one light, BAD BALLAST. it all worked correctly when I removed one of the lights. Still doesn't make sense to me how the lights got power with hot switched off

BV015053

02:43AM | 11/04/17
I am having the same issue in my living room I have one light fixture at the middle of the ceiling and it will not turn off even though I have pulled switches out and cut all the and they're not co In anyway. there is a total of 8 wires four Their are free live black wires. where should I Look next. I also have a hallway with two fixtures but no light switch. Could it have been covered up?

BV015494

04:24PM | 01/15/18
If I’m wiring a switch and the power cable is coming from a light. If I pull a cable from the light to the switch and then wire new lights of the switch will all the lights be running on the one switch or will only the new lights work on the switch ?

BV016686

06:09PM | 06/23/18
BV002735

Bobee

04:39PM | 06/24/18
Member Since: 06/23/18
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maybe I'll be wrong, sorry, but with electricity you need to be careful. I advise you to contact a specialist.

Bobee

04:51PM | 06/24/18
Member Since: 06/23/18
10 lifetime posts
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maybe I'll be wrong, sorry, but with electricity you need to be careful. I advise you to contact a specialist.

BV016984

08:39AM | 07/27/18
I just wanted to share my success story. I was in a rush and I should have photographed the connections before I took out the old fixture. I too wired a new ceiling light fixture and it remained ON even when the light switch was OFF. I HAD wired black to black, white to white, and the red wire which was copper I wired to the copper ground wire (thinking copper to copper). WRONG WAY!
After reading this thread I took the two black wires from my light fixture and wired them to the red (copper) line. The copper line from the lamp went to the green grounding screw. I kept all four white wires together. There remained two black wires at the box which I kept wired together. Thanks for your help.

BV017377

01:17AM | 09/11/18
I have a similar problem. I replaced a old cealing fan with a flat fixture light and connected white to white and black to black and it did light up perfect. But when I hit the switch to shut them off the remaind On. I was then told to replace the switch and still I had the same problem. I left the light connected the way it was and tuned the power off and disconnected and remove the switch separating the wires. Tuned back On the power and it still lit up without the switch even being connected. Help!!!!!!

BV017902

07:43AM | 11/08/18
Interesting. I just changed out a fluorescent fixture for a LED. Simple wiring, black to black and white to white wiyh a ground to ground. Flipped the breaker on and the light came on with the light switch in the off position.. the switch worked with the fluorescent but not with the LED. Going crazy. Can’t figure it out.

BV018230

07:14PM | 12/18/18
Im having the same issue.. i hooked 2 fixtures together and they worked . The switch turned them both on and off. I hooked a 3rd fixture up and now 2 of the 3 fixtures stay on while the switch it off... tried everything..

BV019708

05:55PM | 07/07/19
I had the same issue. Thing was my father had messed with the fixture before I could so I had no idea how it was hooked up before.

So I have 3 fixtures in the room. 2 Lights and 1 fan. I ended up figuring out that there were 2 wires that ran to the furthest fixture, then to the box I was having issues with. The Red wire was hooked the the switch on the wall with the black. I ended up taking both black wires from each light fixture and maretted them to the red. there were 3 black, 3 white and 1 red wire inside the box.

White were all Maretted together including the fixture connection.

There were 2 black connections that I maretted together. Then took the 2 black fixture wires and maretted them together with the red switch wire.

Flicked the breaker and everything worked. Switch worked and everything was hunky dory.

BV019895

02:55PM | 07/28/19
Having a issue. I have a single pole switch which is only connecting to a outlet that powers on my lamp. I installed a light fixture in middle of room and ran 12/2 romex to my switch from the new fixture. When I power it on the original outlet still turns the lamp on and off, but the new light stays powered on. The only way to shut the light off is by unscrewing the bulb. How is this when I ran my wire directly to the switch where power is?

BV019896

03:21PM | 07/28/19
All of you need to stop messing with the electrical system in your homes and call professionals. Burning your home down will cost more than the cost of an electrician and if you wire a fixture wrong you could get a bad shock when touching that fixture.

BV020252

09:31PM | 09/02/19
First, the comment by BV019896 is valid. If you get in over your head, call an electrician. Better to spend the money and save lives (maybe your own).

For anybody that comes here in the future looking for help after replacing an electrical outlet that is supposed to be controlled by a light switch only to find the switch does NOT turn off the power, but the outlet ends up having power all the time, you may want to consider these two facts:
1) Some electrical outlets have metal tabs on the side that connect the upper and lower receptacles.
2) You would want to be fairly certain the outlet has little metal tabs that connect top and bottom on each side. If your outlet does not, then stop reading.
3) If you have only 1-wire (instead of two) that attaches to the upper receptacle, you can break off the metal tab on that side to isolate the upper receptacle from the lower one. This will only allow power to the upper receptacle when the light switch is in the ON position.

If you do not break this tab off, both upper and lower receptacles have power through the lower receptacle and that is why the upper receptacle has power regardless of light switch position.

Here is the long version. It may provide additional details.

Before I came to this forum, I replaced all of the electrical outlets in a room. There was one outlet in the room that I knew was controlled by a light switch so that you could plug in a lamp to the upper receptacle and then turn the lamp on and off (or same with whatever device was plugged in there).

As it happens, this particular upper outlet had stopped working a few weeks ago, so that if you turned the switch on or off, the lamp stayed off, and we ended up plugging it into the lower receptacle (which still worked) and then turning it on and off by the switch on the lamp itself.

I was hoping that by replacing this particular power outlet I might fix this issue as well. By taking pictures, I noted all the connections that were made with the previous hardware and made sure to plug in things accordingly to the new hardware.

In all, it was a success, and much to my surprise, once I connected the lamp to the upper outlet, it came on and I had power. Unfortunately for me, I then tried to turn off the lamp from the switch and it stayed on. I was going to call an electrician to come fix this, but decided to Google the issue (which brought me here) where I learned from a post by BV007451 (at 10:39AM on 04/04/15) that some electrical outlets have a piece of metal on both sides of the outlet that basically wire the upper and lower receptacles together. This jogged my memory to a couple of YouTube videos that mentioned needing to break off this tab if the original receptacle was also missing it.

So I turned off the power again, opened up the receptacle, noticed the metal tabs connecting upper and lower receptacles and broke the tab on the side that was hooked up to the red "switch" wire. By doing this I ended up isolating red and black connections on that side of the outlet, but I left the tab on the white wire side so that the white connection could run to both upper and lower receptacles (which helped me to understand how that upper receptacle was even getting power with just the one red wire connected.

Once I broke the one tab off the side of outlet, I put everything back together, turned on the power, and was delighted to find I could control power to the the upper electrical outlet receptacle with the light switch!

BV020254

09:49PM | 09/02/19
First, the comment by BV019896 is valid. If you get in over your head, call an electrician. Better to spend the money and save lives (maybe your own).

For anybody that comes here in the future looking for help after replacing an electrical outlet that is supposed to be controlled by a light switch only to find the switch does NOT turn off the power, but the outlet ends up having power all the time, you may want to consider these points:
1) I'm talking about a specific scenario in which the upper receptacle of an electrical outlet has power controlled by a light switch. In my case, I replaced the receptacle, and after the repair I discovered the upper outlet always had power, regardless of light switch posiion.
2) It turns out some electrical outlets have metal tabs on the side that connect upper and lower receptacles.
3) With this tab in place, both the upper and lower receptacles have power through the connections to the lower receptacle and that is why the upper receptacle has power regardless of light switch position.
4) Before continuing with this post, you would want to be fairly certain the outlet (in your case) has little metal tabs that connect top and bottom on each side and can be broken off. You don't necessarily need to take the outlet apart to check, there may be images of your part online, or you may still have documentation from the hardware that mentions this feature. If your outlet does not have metal tabs that can be broken off, stop reading now.
5) If you have only 1-wire (instead of two) that attaches to the upper receptacle, you can break off the metal tab on the same side as that connection to isolate the upper receptacle from the lower one. This will only allow power to the upper receptacle when the light switch is in the ON position.

If the above seems helpful, here is the long version that may provide additional details.

Before I came to this forum seeking help, I replaced all of the electrical outlets in a room. There was one outlet in the room that I knew was controlled by a light switch so that you could plug in a lamp to the upper receptacle and then turn the lamp on and off (or same with whatever device was plugged in there).

As it happens, this particular upper outlet had stopped working a few weeks ago, so that if you turned the switch on or off, the lamp stayed off, and we ended up plugging it into the lower receptacle (which still worked) and then turning it on and off using the switch on the lamp itself.

I hoped that by replacing this particular power outlet I might fix this issue as well. Of course I turned off the power, and by taking pictures as I took things apart, I noted all the connections that were made with the previous hardware and made sure to plug in things accordingly on the new hardware.

In all, it was a success, and much to my surprise, once I connected the lamp to the upper outlet, it came on and I had power. Unfortunately for me, I then tried to turn off the lamp from the switch and it stayed on. I was going to call an electrician to come fix this, but decided to Google the issue first (which brought me here) where I learned from a post by BV007451 (at 10:39AM on 04/04/15) that some electrical outlets have a piece of metal on both sides of the outlet that basically wire the upper and lower receptacles together. This jogged my memory to a couple of YouTube videos that had mentioned needing to break off this tab if the original receptacle was also missing it.

So I turned off the power again, opened up the receptacle, noticed the metal tabs connecting upper and lower receptacles and broke off just the tab on the side that was hooked up to the red "switch" wire. By doing this I ended up isolating red and black connections on that side of the outlet, but I left the tab on the white wire side so that the white connection could run to both upper and lower receptacles (which helped me to understand how that upper receptacle was even getting power with just the one red wire connected.

Once I broke the one tab off the side of outlet, I put everything back together, turned on the power, and was delighted to find I could control power to the the upper electrical outlet receptacle with the light switch!

BV020326

11:20PM | 09/08/19
Ok. I’m having a similar issue but even more strange. My old ceiling light was wired with what looked like speaker wire. The clear covered wire that you can split apart. One side of the “speaker wire” connected to the black wire from the ceiling. The other half was connected to the white wire from the ceiling. The red wire from the ceiling was capped with a wire nut and stuffed in the ceiling. I switched the lamp connecting white to white and black to black. The light came on when I turned the breaker back on but the switch at the wall did not turn the lamp off. The dimmer did not work as well. At this point I did not remove the switch so I’m thoroughly confused. I did replace the switch eventually just in case and it didn’t fix the problem. Ever seen this?


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