12:37PM | 05/13/09
Member Since: 05/12/09
4 lifetime posts
The Life Source system does a good job for what it's made for; Filtration, but it's not working for me with 22 Grains. The web site has changed since I bought my unit but the Title in the Browser still says "Water Softener - Water Filter - Water Softners". I was lead more by the sales rep at the time to believe I wouldn't need anything else, but after getting the system hooked up and working for about 4 months I told him my situation. Then he suggested having a Salt Water softener before the Life Source system and sent me some of the supplies mentioned in the previous post. I didn't have the money at the time to buy another system. I tried calling my salesman back to get sediment filters, but he was no longer there, I believe his name was Talbot.

I also tried the items you listed in the previous post, but with time they just couldn't keep things clean.

You honestly suggest just the Life Source system and nothing else when a person has 20+ Grains of Hardness?


12:49PM | 05/13/09
Member Since: 05/10/09
13 lifetime posts
Talbot is no longer with the company. You may purchase the pre-filter cartridges at the company store at

I have about 1150 clients in areas ranging from 5 - 25 grains of hardness. The products I mentioned have done the job so far. As compared to a salt-based water softener, I always mention that you definately will get mineral spots with using those products as the purpose of our system is to retain nutrient minerals and reduce chlorine/chloramines.

While i don't sell or recommend them I've heard that certain "catalytic" devices work but they must be cleaned regularly.


Ken Hoffmann


01:06PM | 05/13/09
Member Since: 05/12/09
4 lifetime posts
Would you mind posting data on how many have 20+ grains and only use your system?

So what Salt Water system would one of your engineers recommend since it's not really a competing product? This is what everyone needs to know that needs to purchase a Salt or Potassium based system.


01:58PM | 05/13/09
Member Since: 05/11/09
3 lifetime posts
Does anyone with hard well water have any experience with no salt pelican water technologies systems?


04:12PM | 05/13/09
Member Since: 04/06/09
1 lifetime posts
I simply called the technical department of my local water company. They gave me the information I was looking for: 22 gains/gal. which is relatively hard. No advice on a water system as I am looking for one now (not salt based - we have that now).


10:12AM | 05/15/09
Member Since: 05/10/09
13 lifetime posts
We don't keep records based upon grains of hardness.

You might check-out; More...;Chloride in Santa Clarita; Alternative systems; Read reviews". This is an area where salt-based regenerative water softeners have been banned due to the chloride effluent. Generally, the "hardness" levels in this area varys from 14 grains to 25 grains.
Essentially, all salt-based water softeners work the same way. Only independent laboratory testing and certification will show that one is better than another. Check-out and So, unless you're swayed by brand name, blinking lights and unsupported product claims, Sears is as good as any.


Ken Hoffmann


08:23PM | 05/15/09
Member Since: 03/27/07
4 lifetime posts
I guess I don't care if "water softening" isn't the correct term for a non-salt outfit, I just want water that doesn't crud everything up with deposits on the tile, in the faucets, lining the toilet, and crudding the pipes.

I've read this whole string and find that the "truth" is as elusive as it ever was. Everyone has his own axe to grind (or water to soften, perhaps), and who knows who the real seekers after truth are and who the fakes and shysters might be.

Another thing. I don't give a hang if wonderfully nutritive mineral chunks are removed from my water in order to make it inoffensive and nondestructive to the physical environment it interacts with in my home. Water comes with every sort of mineral content, from negligible to huge. I'd much, much rather get a mineral supplement and have non-damaging water than gorge on tasty minerals and wreck my house. That's what I'd have to do anyway if I lived in an area with low mineral content in the water.

It would be nice if we could skip the Amway-like baloney here and get some real people with real experience. Not so long ago, a person could pretty much trust strangers to be honest about everyday things. I guess that in a society as violent and deceptive as ours seems to have become, candor about mere water "softening" (sorry, treatment/filtering/whatever the blazes it's supposed to be called) is low on the list.


08:15AM | 05/16/09
Member Since: 05/10/09
13 lifetime posts
A salt-based water softener is the ONLY system that will remove minerals. So, if you don't want minerals in the water you should purchase a water softener. If you want something else, research; don't depend upon a sales rep., company website or brochure. This way you, at least, gain some independent "truths".

Regarding mineral suppliments, according to the World Health Organization your body needs minerals in water, not just in food and suppliments.

Ken Hoffmann


06:13PM | 05/17/09
Member Since: 04/01/05
32 lifetime posts
I believe you are mistaken on a couple of issues:

A softener is NOT the only means to remove minerals. In fact, it exchanges minerals, not removes them. They actually increase dissolved solids, not eliminte them.

A reverse osmosis and nano-membrane do remove, albeit not completely, minerals, salts and metals.

De-ionization, either through separate cation/anion resin or mixed beds will remove ions to a point of zero TDS.

To say that water needs to be a supplier of minerals 'essential' for health is misleading and I beleive insignificant. The amount of water needed to benefit health would be enormous. Besides, that there may be hundreds of other useless, or even harmful substances included in that water.

Water should be transporter or nutirient, not a supplier.

I find it dubious to give advice to customers that to prevent spotting on faucets to coat them with car wax. Wow, that's the first time I heard that!

There may be pros and cons against any and all water treatment systems, but well-proven technologies still have a place and those new systems will continuously keep popping up with marketing based mostly on putting the standards down and eluding proper testing by qualified facilities.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
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