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Delowing

10:03AM | 04/24/00
Member Since: 04/23/00
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Yeah, I know, it's because of where the hinges are.

No, really - why are residential exterior doors designed to open inward? It makes sense that interior doors do not open into hallways. But for exterior doors, it makes more sense to open outward, especially the metal insulated doors that no longer need storm doors.

Any building codes against doors opening outward?

Thanks,
Doug

PattyB

12:33PM | 10/24/00
There are a couple reasons I can think of:
1. If they open outward you would knock visitors off the steps opening the door.
2. If snow piles up you wouldn't be able to open the door at all.
Building codes vary from state to state and even within the states. Check yours to see if it is allowed.

AWINDORMAN

03:01PM | 10/25/00
Member Since: 07/04/00
36 lifetime posts
there is also more security with an inswing door.

rpxlpx

06:04AM | 10/26/00
Member Since: 03/13/00
1674 lifetime posts
...also, a door that's on the "inside" of the door frame is better protected from the elements.

KosmicCarp

10:50AM | 04/11/01
Member Since: 03/27/01
11 lifetime posts
A door that opens in has the hinge pins on the inside, preventing someone from the outside from removing them. Also, you may still want a storm/screen door installed so that you'll have some ventilation when you want it.

Ooh! I just saw a "This Old House" episode from Florida where they recommend outward opening entry doors so hurricane winds won't blow them in.

[This message has been edited by KosmicCarp (edited April 22, 2001).]

ffdw

11:30PM | 05/08/01
Member Since: 05/08/01
2 lifetime posts
They make outswinging doors that have pins that cannot be removed now. I guess more and more people are considering outswinging doors for patios. I just ordered two sets. The rooms are too small to accommodate the inswing, but I still wanted the look of the French doors. My front doors will remain inswinging.

R Hunter

01:37AM | 03/01/03
Member Since: 02/28/03
3 lifetime posts
I have just purchased a new home and the back door opens out. The problem is the hinges are exposed to the outside and are removeable.
Please advise on how to secure this door.
And is there building codes on installing exterior doors with hinges that can be removed from the outside?

LDoyle

01:48PM | 03/01/03
Member Since: 06/03/01
324 lifetime posts
Inswing doors are more easily kicked in by a burglar so an outswing door will be more secure as long as the hinges are not removeable and/or the door has pins extending into the frame to prevent removal even if the hinges are removed. Outswing also offers better sealing from winds. Have heard of some communities that have codes not allowing outswing doors because they are so much more difficult for emergency responders to break down?

[This message has been edited by LDoyle (edited March 01, 2003).]

Jim D

11:34PM | 03/02/03
Member Since: 01/06/01
342 lifetime posts
R Hunter - hi, while working in US government security, we used to see lots of outward opening doors with exposed hinges that needed the hinge pins secured. There's two ways to do this, and the solution you choose depends on whether or not you may need to remove the door easily.

First - you can spot-weld the top of the hinge pin to the hinge itself. You'll have to only do so in one spot, to allow the hinge pint to rotate with the hinge as the door opens/closes. Obviously, once you do this, you'd have to pull the entire hinge out from the door frame, or off the door, to remove the door in the future. One drawback to this is that a determined burglar could simply saw through the spot weld, given enough time and access. (For instance, if the home's not occupied full-time...)

Second - you can drill a hole through the hinge, into (but not through) the hinge pin, and insert a set screw. You'd open the door and mark the spot for drilling so that it can't be accessed while the door is closed. You'd drill the hole and you'd probably have to remove the hinge pin & set it in a vise to drill & tap the hole in the hinge pin. When you insert the set screw, you'd drive it in until it's flush with the surface of the hinge. That way, you should be able to open and close the door without scratching anything. It also won't damage the set screw head so you can extract it when you want to remove the door by removing the hinge pins.

We'd always recommend either of these treatments be done to the top and bottom hinges on a door. I'd think a good locksmith could do the set screw method for you if you don't have the tools (tap & die set) to take it on yourself. Also, you may want to find an old scrap hinge & pin to experiment with. I hope this helps you some - regards! Jim D/Heathsville, VA

helen pliler

05:47AM | 03/15/03
Member Since: 03/13/03
3 lifetime posts
http://www.screenex.com/
great screen for doors opening out
helen

BV010262

03:27PM | 01/24/16
so they are easy to kick in and rob you.

BV011302

10:03PM | 04/17/16
Before I worried about criminals with grinders, hammers, punches, and cutting torches, I would worry about a window being broken for access. Unless you have a windowless home, you are subject to an easy criminal break in. Just get the door you want.

BV011363

06:01PM | 04/22/16
I can't imagine First Responder preferences dictating door design. That would be like having totally waterproof interiors in case the roof ever leaked.
In my area some front doors are in-swing by tradition, but others, and nearly all exterior french doors are out-swing. I wouldn't want the first nosy bear strolling through the yard to lean against the patio door and push through into the kitchen.

BV013595

08:23PM | 04/08/17
Harder to break in when using interior hidden hinges.
A concealed door like Tectus eliminates hinge tampering.
Saves room space. Interior steps do not block doorway swing.
Ron Aumueller

BV013641

12:04AM | 04/16/17
Outward open doors are the worst for any security, including wind and elements! Ridiculous.

dc007thegreat

02:44AM | 04/19/17
Member Since: 04/06/17
2 lifetime posts
Doors opening out had exposed hinge pins and anyone wanting to break in just had to knock out the pins to get in. An inward door had the pins on the inside. Burglar proof hinges where more expensive when they finally became available.
High winds can catch an outward opening door and literally rip the door off it's hinges. An inward opening door doesn't have the same problem.

gracy

04:37AM | 04/20/17
Member Since: 04/19/17
3 lifetime posts
Great thread, had never really stop to think about this... interesting!

FredMcIntire

12:10PM | 10/16/17
Member Since: 10/16/17
1 lifetime posts
In searching for an answer to French doors that swing out, and the issue of security for the expose hinges, I came across these little jewels that solve the problem.

https://www.amazon.com/HINGEMATETM-DOOR-SECURITY-PINS-PACK/dp/B01HRPW5D0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508169987&sr=8-1&keywords=Door+Hinge+Pin+Lock

Like another poster said though, I think breaking out a glass pane would be simpler and much easier for an intruder/burglar.

Fred

BV015780

03:58AM | 02/23/18
Finnish doors open outward. With hinge pins you cannot knock out. And you can bet we have elements. On the other hand, cops don't need to be able to smash in doors in our country like in the U.S. ;-)

BV016003

03:36PM | 03/26/18
The way i see it, an outward door would be more air-tight and during a windy day, would be pushed into its seal vs away from the seal, relying only on the deadbolt or latch to keep it from opening. Kicking an inward swinging door open is a cinch. Its probably less secure than an outward swinging door with the proper hinges.My house is a split level, where you open the door and step right onto the landing and are faced with the choice of up or down. The landing it not big enough, really to accommodate an inward swing door, so my choice is based off of that.

BV016824

10:57AM | 07/09/18
can I make my garage man door open to outside my lifesyle garage screen tracks prevent door to open to inside

BV017192

09:25PM | 08/19/18
Use 3-4 inch screws on your hinge and strike plate to add security!

Opening outward with hidden hinges is FOR SURE the best security. Watch these cops! (spoiler alert the cops lose and the doors win!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9SNXpeORY

BV018618

04:44PM | 02/06/19
Example They open inward so u don't get stuck inside during a snow storm but on most tv shows they always get this wrong like on travelers the front door opened outward because that was the only way they could do the seen they were doing

BV019540

09:37AM | 06/16/19
The back door of my brand new home opens outward, but I want to put in an additional screen door with a doggie door in it for my pet. Is it easy or hard to convert the existing outward swinging exterior door to an inward swinging door to allow me to put a storm door with a built-in doggie door on the outside of the door jamb instead?


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