Latest Discussions : Painting

BV001402

05:24PM | 06/25/13
We have 3 sets of concrete steps, and want to paint them. They are not attractive. Two of these sets of stairs (4'x6' 4 steps; 3'x4 2 steps) are rarely used. The smallest is used during the summer. Even if we have to coat them every year, it would be nicer than they are right now. I saw both products in. Woodwork magazine. Has anyone used either on concrete? Any comments? Which is better? Which is easier? Thank you! Betty

BV001491

11:06AM | 07/06/13
Were there any comments on this thread? I have the same question but was going to use it on a wood deck.

BV001599

01:56AM | 07/18/13
I plan to use the deckover. It has twice the coverage per gallon, fills the same cracks, and is said to go on easier. So, a much easier, and somewhat cheaper option, and I think it will look better too. On the downside, Restore is said to last half again as long.
Good luck.

BV001629

07:07PM | 07/21/13

The first thing to understand about coating systems(paint or combinations thereof) is that coating systems are designed the same way bridges are built: From both ends towards the middle.

At the beginning you have the surface you start with, its properties and its liabilities. At the finish you have a selected color, a hoped-for durability, and perhaps certain physical properties.

Painting concrete steps with one or more products can be looked at that way. In the beginning one has concrete, new or old. With almost all DIY projects, the concrete is old. New concrete has its own particular adhesion issues, and getting paint to stick to fresh concrete is a story for another day. Getting a paint to stick to old concrete that may be dry is fairly easy; just look for the manufacturer's assurance that it will do so. Some concrete has ground water that comes up through the concrete and tends to loosen the bond of some paints to concrete. You may need a Damp Concrete primer if your painted concrete blistered. If your local store does not have such a primer, it's readily available on the Internet.

Now, going to the other side, the finished painted concrete needs to have durability, for concrete steps will be walked upon and paint can wear through. You need a paint that says it is intended to be walked upon; some very nice-looking paints are too soft to survive much foot traffic.

It should not be slippery, particularly not when wet. This means the paint should have some “slip-resistance”. Such paints used to be called nonskid, until some lawyer sued a paint company for a slip-and-fall incident, claiming that the word “nonskid” was an implied warranty, and thus a guarantee that one could not slip-and-fall when stepping on that paint. The paint company lost, and now pretty-much everyone in the paint industry uses instead the phrase “slip-resistant”, or similar, as that does not guarantee one will not slip-and-fall, merely that the surface “resists” such misadventure.

So, there we have the attributes of the final appearance and function: color, durability, perhaps an ability to fill cracks or at least bridge over them, and some not-very-slippery-when-wet quality.

If you identify, perhaps with the help of a store clerk, a topcoat that has the properties you want, then either it will stick directly to the old concrete, dry or damp, or some concrete primer may be needed to glue that paint down to your concrete.

If the paint manufacturer says it has certain properties, it likely does. If only the store clerk says the paint will do something but the paint manufacturer itself does not say that, then see if the store offers the warranty because the paint manufacturer certainly does not.

Either way, you now have designed your coating system. If the paint you buy lasts a satisfactory amount of time, then you win.

The foregoing is not a pat answer, and I said nothing about price; more expensive products as a generality tend to be of higher quality and not usually sold on discount-sales. What that was intended to do was to help you to ask the right kind of questions and thereby make you more able to find your answers.

BV001691

10:54AM | 07/29/13
I used DeckOver this weekend. It goes on a little thicker than normal paint. It dired fast. I finished at 3:00 pm Sunday and it rained over night... no issues. I like the product.

BV002103

04:34PM | 09/16/13
We used Restore this weekend on a 700+ SF wooden deck and it dried fairly quickly, filled all cracks and slivers, seemed to have a decently slip-resistant texture and looks great.

The down side is that it takes a LOT of it because it is so thick. It also takes a lot of time, for the same reason. I went with this product because we had painted the railing of an old deck last year. Mixed rail spindles of new pine, old cedar, things in-between that had been previously painted. We did not clean anything, we just painted over it all in hopes of getting a uniform look.

It has been a year plus and the railing still looks as good as the day we painted it on. I am hoping for similar results with the deck. We are tired of re-sealing the deck every year or two and hope that Restore actually lasts 8-10 years as advertised.

BV002178

02:43PM | 09/26/13
Restore works great on concrete that has a broom finish. I would not waste my time if I did not prepare the concrete or wood surface to the paint manufacture's suggestions. Restore requires 2 coats. I have been very pleased with Restore for Concrete and Decks.

BV002379

05:35AM | 10/22/13
I have not used Deckover, but have used restore. The restore has been on our concrete walkway in Michigan for 3 years and still looks great. Now we are getting ready to use Deckover on a driveway in Florida since it can be used for drives, and are hoping for the best. Oh we forgot and only used 1 coat of restore, it was a little tricky putting it on but cheaper than new concrete.

BV002454

05:12PM | 10/31/13
Neither of these products can stand up to a killer anti-slip paint/coating from a specialty water-based coatings manufacturer out of Florida by the name of Liquiguard Technologies. Their FlexDuraCote has more longevity than either of these products and much better slip resistance. It has built-in UV protection, mildewcides, great body to fill cracks, high-end pigments that won't fade and its a 1-coat application, making it MUCH easier to apply. You roll it on to the surface and it will bond with anything. Also, its thermal insulative and stays cool under direct sunlight. It can be found at www.liquiguard.com and is available in 9 colors but can be ordered in custom colors too.

BV002460

01:21PM | 11/01/13
Someone here has been misinformed. Deckover is NOT for driveways.

BV002569

09:15PM | 11/15/13
Rustoleum Restore now has Extreme Concrete Restore made just for driveways. I just finished checking it out on their site http://rustoleumrestore.com/extreme/ I've never used it, I am actually looking for a product for refinishing concrete exterior steps and ran across it so I thought this info might help :)

BV002694

05:44PM | 12/01/13
So what is the best product for coating a concrete driveway? Behr? Rustoleum? Liquiguard? Some other brand? I need to apply something to my driveway because I can't afford to pour a new one.

BV004110

08:01AM | 04/30/14
we have a cabin up north and the living room old tiles pop off due to freeze and thaw cycles. Has anyone used the Deckover inside on plywood? Can you use a smoother roller to get a less rough surface?

BV004186

11:02PM | 05/04/14
I usrf restore on my 540 sq ft deck ladt summer, and today i noticed that the finish had gone away over some of the deck, and i am going to have to redo it already and its only been a year. And yes i put on two coates and followed the directions to the letter. I have another deck and I am going to try the deckover on it and see what happens by this time next year.

BV004715

04:14PM | 06/18/14
I'm guessing by now the folks who used Rust-Oleum Deck Restore in 2013 are dealing with its failure. Anyone considering using that product merely needs to Google for reviews and there are a number of "Rust-Oleum Deck Restore Horror Stories" to be seen on YouTube. It lasted less than a few months, with absolutely proper preparation. A number of unhappy consumers nationwide are now considering a class-action lawsuit. It bubbles when the temperature drops, then cracks, and peels off in sheets. Unfortunately, it also contains a known carcinogen (crystalline silica) so should NOT be sanded-off. Abatement of the failed material usually requires a chemical stripper (because two coats are thick) and a power-washer. It's a mess. And then you have to do it all over again.
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BV004715

04:15PM | 06/18/14
Also, I didn't miss that the original topic was the Concrete product. I have seen similarly bad reviews for that.

BV004768

07:56PM | 06/22/14
I just purchased the restore 4x in a bucket and in a gallon size. It's been tinted so it's non-returnable. Looking at the disaster stories, I wish I hadn't bought this. What should I do?

BV005027

11:50PM | 07/17/14
Take it back and tell them you received the wrong color. That's what I did and I received my money back. Then the paint guy put a label on the gallon with a purchase price of $5. My buddy who was with me bought it!

BV005113

11:57AM | 07/26/14
which deck stain is best? http://www.constructiondefectclaims.com/complaint-forum.html#/20140726/deck-stain-rustoleum-restore-behr-deckover-or-4108220/

BV005474

10:01AM | 08/26/14
I have to agree with the comment below about FlexDuraCote from LiquiGuard.com. My neighbor recommended it to me and I didn't listed. I tried Restore, which requires 2 coats and I didn't get the results on my back patio last year and it's already looking like it needs another coat.

My neighbor's house that recommended FlexDuraCote looks great and it's been 3 years already.

So for my front walkway I went with the FlexDuraCote and it looks fantastic, I'll be purchasing more for my driveway. It only took one coat and really did seal perfectly.

It was easy to apply and had no smell, they also did a custom color to match my existing front walkway. I don't want a product that doesn't last and it appears that Flexduracote will last a long time. I really do recommend this product, it's easy.

BV005888

08:51PM | 10/01/14
Close to $600 for 5 gallons is a really big chunk of cash!

BV006416

03:53PM | 12/02/14
We'll the FlexDuraCote might be more a little more expensive than most, but it last 5 times longer and covers a much larger area. Would you rather spend a little more or re-due your project every year? Not to mention it has UV and mold protection. It's as easy as painting and is an Eco-Friendly product. It's certainly worth it!


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