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06:41AM | 09/06/07
Member Since: 09/01/07
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I recently got a home equity loan, and hired a contractor to remove my 20 yr. old deck; the new surface he has layed is a flagstone patio and pathways to the sides of the house. He also put some flag at the front door entry.

He bordered this with metal edging to hold in the decomposed and crushed granite that he put between the flag. I thought he would have dug into the ground for the base, putting in 2-3" of sand, so that the surface would be level with the grass. He said we don't do that, living in this No. TX country with heavy clay soil. He just spread a thin layer of crushed granite on top of the existing soil, (without grading any slope), then the flags, then filled in between with more granite. Then he said he put on a bonding agent ( a kind of "glue" I guess) which was supposed to bind the granite together.

The surface has had about 12 days to compact and for the gel to solidify. He said it would take 2-3 weeks to "cure" (??).

Several things have not happened:

* The top layer of "rocks/ sand" hasn't solidified, resulting in a lot of debris being tracked into the house, as well as the reddish color stain from the granite. It looks and feels like walking on a dirt and gravel path in the boondocks! Even if I sweep every day, it still tracks inside.

* In several places, it's not compacting. Every time I walk on the surface, I leave little heel prints (or the dog leaves paw prints) on the "dirt". It sinks as much as 1 1/2".

* The surfaces aren't level, creating pools of red mud when wet, and making it wobbly to put furniture on, and which I might trip on (??) in the future.

* Since they used metal edging, I now have a more involved mowing job each week, because of the need to use a weed eater/ edger. I may not be able to do the job most of the time, but being retired, I'll have problems finding funds to pay others.

Most of these problems are exacerbated by the fact that I have a slight handicap, and spend time occasionally in a wheelchair.


How does this situation get fixed? Should I ask him to redo the entire thing, using concrete or something? Should I ask him to tear it down and put in another deck? Should he apply a few more layers of "glue"? Should I be the one to pay for anything redone? Should I just sell the house?

Thanks for any suggestions.


02:29PM | 04/11/08
Member Since: 04/10/08
1 lifetime posts
Did you ever get resolution to this matter? My husband and I are looking to do the same thing but on our own.


02:58PM | 04/11/08
Member Since: 09/01/07
2 lifetime posts
Thank you for your inquiry. I've learned the hard way that I don't EVER want to put crushed or decomposed granite anywhere near an entrance to a house; actually, I wouldn't use it anywhere except as decoration in a wall mosaic or something that feet would never trod upon.

My patio job had to be torn down and completely redone, using a new contractor, costing me twice as much. The original guy, BallPark Construction (and BallPark Homes) in the Dallas, TX area... took the money and ran, leaving me with a mess.

Nothing about it was up to American w/Disabilities code, leaving 3" drops at the doorways and impossible humps to maneuver over edges with a wheelchair; walkways that were too narrow for wheelchair to maneuver; the granite never solidified and tracked sharp little stones and mud all through the house; there was a lot of space bewteen flags and the granite never settled, meaning that it was slip-sliding all the time; the front door area had their poorly attempted "fix" of Quikrete poured and allowed to settle on top of the flags, making them milk-washed.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. The granite looks pretty originally, but it should be used as a mix into concrete mix, if at all, and smoothed.

The whole thing has put me into debt; because of safety, I had to have it redone. The original guy, (Ball Park), refused to refund money. I could take him to small claims court, am still thinking about that one.

Bottom line, DON'T DO IT. Go with the traditional concrete base and flags on top with mortar in between them. Fewer headaches, and happier outcome.

Good luck.


06:48AM | 04/20/08
Member Since: 03/24/08
62 lifetime posts
Wow! What a mess. Sorry it turned out so bad, but glad you'll get the safety issues addressed in the end.


10:47AM | 04/27/08
Member Since: 04/08/08
54 lifetime posts
What exactly is crushed granite? Is it a fine powder as the name suggests? I'm planning on doing a little landscaping myself and I am contemplating laying down a small amount of granite in stone form.



06:45PM | 11/19/14
The bonding material is key and how it is applied and mixed into the DG is critical. If the bonding agent is inferior you will never get the solid pathway you want. I just layed path fines inside my metal edging about 60 feet by 6 feet. The fines went over their larger cousins 3/4 and 3/8" rock. You shouldn't put down more than 2 inches of fines and between 1 and 1.5 inches should work. The bonding medium is commercially made but we have a local landscpe supply house and one of the employees took it upon himself to come up with a receipe that fixes all of the other bonding mediums defects (google your local product for actual results). Make sure your fines are damp, not wet, then use a garden sprayer or simply use a garden water pourer and pour a generous amt. over the fines. Work the fines togther with a shovel or metal rake to make sure the bonding agent penetrates through the depth of your fines. Smooth out the surface and then do a final spray or lite cover of the bonding material again over the top and then allow to cure....48 to 72 hours should work...depending on Mother Nature. After this your fines should be completely bonded and relatively hard. After this you should not have the problems noted above.

Again.....the bond will only be as good as the medium you are using. (My bonding medium cost me $85 for 5 gallons and my job will need at least 25 gallons to be effective)


02:33PM | 01/30/20
Im the owner of stonescape designs and landscaping and usually in a flagstone patio you put 2-4 inches of crushed gravel for the base then the sand on top where you lay the flagstone on top of that. Seems like he didn’t give a very secure or well made foundation and if you don’t water the sand and flagstones while laying them it doesn’t hold together as well. Also we usually always use some type of stone or “chop block” for the outer lining because it holds better and looks nice. If you ever need anything as far as a flagstone patio, pathways, gardens or repairs on what you already have please contact us at 210-689-7634 thank you

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