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Weekend Warrior

01:40PM | 02/12/03
Member Since: 11/29/02
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Will adding 2x6 blocking, perpendicular to the floor joists provide the same stiffening properties as 2x4 diagonal bracing?

joed

01:48PM | 02/12/03
Member Since: 09/17/02
524 lifetime posts
It would if the joist a 2x6. The blocking is normally the same width as the floor joist.

Altereagle

07:49AM | 02/15/03
Member Since: 12/27/02
543 lifetime posts
No

Piffin

05:45PM | 02/16/03
Member Since: 11/06/02
1278 lifetime posts
Sure, it will.

homebild

06:09PM | 02/16/03
Member Since: 01/28/03
693 lifetime posts
Yes, it will...presuming all you mean by 'stiffening' is to prevent the joist from racking and warping.

Blocking does little to nothing to reduce deflection of joists.

Piffin

02:53PM | 02/18/03
Member Since: 11/06/02
1278 lifetime posts
Yes it does.

An oiverloaded joist will not fail straight down in deflection. It wil want to roll or twist first which then puts it in a postion where it is weaker than in perfect vertical alignment. This weaker positioning in turn lets it sag further.

The blocking does two things.
It prevents the rollover tendency, keepiung the joists in their strongest, vertical alignment.
It ties all the joist together so they act as a system/singulart unit instead of individually. I'm like a joist and you are too. You can lift more with help from your friends standing shoulder to shoulder.

Mark Hammond

02:31PM | 02/19/03
Member Since: 05/09/01
246 lifetime posts
Do you guys want to face off using caulking guns as the weapon of choice.....I have to agree with everyone. In the fact that the blocking (either type) keeps the joists from twisting , which does add to the sagging bafetr a bit it will help to stiffen the joists. Strictly speaking go for a wider joist of double every other one at the same width. This will definately stiffen the floor.....Smile.....MJH

Altereagle

04:51PM | 02/21/03
Member Since: 12/27/02
543 lifetime posts
Right it's better to solid block...

homebild

06:58PM | 02/21/03
Member Since: 01/28/03
693 lifetime posts
Solid blocking is fine to prevent joists from racking and twisting and warping...

But solid blocking does little or nothing to prevent deflection...or otherwise 'stiffen' floor joists.


Piffin

05:25PM | 02/22/03
Member Since: 11/06/02
1278 lifetime posts
Now you're making progress. Finish thinking it through...

You've admitted that blocking will " prevent joists from racking and twisting and warping..."

and since a straight and plumb joist will bear more without failing, it will provide for a stiffer floor.

The engineering agrees, too. That's why installation charts for joists specify what spans need blocking, bridging and furring. Leave it out and you don't meet the designed rating and risk failure.

treebeard

10:20AM | 02/23/03
Member Since: 01/14/03
262 lifetime posts
If the OP author was seeking advice on whether blocking would provide the same effect on the structure of a floor frame as bridging, then y'all have answered the question, many times. Blocking and bridging do the same thing.

But, if the question in the OP was referring to taking the "bounce" out of framed span, the answer is pretty much no. Although bridging and blocking will perform such as to make the joists under a local live load react in similar fashion, not racking or twisting, they will still deflect, although somewhat less than they would individually. They'll react a little more in concert with each other. But, if they're not designed adequately to make the span, they'll still move up & down (bounce), and blocking or bridging won't make a significant difference.

[This message has been edited by treebeard (edited February 23, 2003).]

Altereagle

05:14PM | 02/24/03
Member Since: 12/27/02
543 lifetime posts
Back to the original question...

"Will adding 2x6 blocking, perpendicular to the floor joists provide the same stiffening properties as 2x4 diagonal bracing?"

No...

It's better to solid block.

2x4 diagonal bracing, either applied to the bottom of the joist diagonally across the joists, or as cross bracing will not have the same effects as solid bridging does.



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