Latest Discussions : Windows & Doors

Victor

05:06AM | 02/25/01
Member Since: 02/24/01
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We installed Semco glider windows as suggested by a window "expert",in our home and discovered that they all leak in rainstorms. Does anyone have experience with Semco windows? What is their reputation?

AlphaXray

06:04PM | 03/04/05
Member Since: 03/03/05
3 lifetime posts
My opinion is to avoid Semco windows (http://www.semcowindows.com/). I have Semco casement windows in 20 window openings with about 35 sashes. In less than 10 years eight of the sashes have bromcg seals (moisture and stains between the panes of glass). The real problem is that most of the windows leak. The windows are aluminum clad wood frame. On the outside, there is a caulking material between the glass and the aluminum frame. The caulk has failed so water gets in between the glass and the aluminum frame and comes into our home within the structure of the sash and runs down the wall (lots of water). We contacted Semco about this problem. They lost our original contact information. We jumped through their hoops and after four years the denied all responsibility. So, I figured I would pass this experience on to others to use as information when making their purchasing decision.

rjmcken

12:51PM | 04/05/05
Member Since: 04/04/05
13 lifetime posts
A couple of things: If you have moisture between the panes of glass, that is a seal failure and you should contact the warranty department as they very well may be under some type of warranty. Further, if water is coming between the glass and frame, you likely could get some help. If however, the water is coming from between the window and the frame, the problem is with the installation and you should contact the contractor. There is a simple way to test the window to find out whether it is the window or the installation that is leaking. With respect to glider windows, you need to check the test data to find out if that is the proper product to use for your application, whether it is a Semco window or a window by any other manufacturer.

rjmcken

12:56PM | 04/05/05
Member Since: 04/04/05
13 lifetime posts
The information from AlphaXray is incorrect. Semco casement windows do not have caulking between the sash and the glass. Rather, there is a tape with silicone and dap behind the tape. Semco warrants their glass for 20 years, with the second ten years pro-rated and the first 10 with glass replacement. In most cases , certainly not in all, where water intrusion is reported, it is coming from around and not through the window. If this is the case, the installation needs to be repaired, not the window. Very few manufacturers will just ignore a homeowner problem, but few are willing to fix problems that are not the product itself.

MistressEll

07:16AM | 04/06/05
Member Since: 01/30/05
360 lifetime posts
All window units need to be FLASHED properly. Caulking at installation without having FLASHED properly first, will always lead to failure, as caulk will ALWAYS fail eventually, and building "breathing and settling" make caulk an ineffective cheat for having not flashed the window opening properly BEFORE installing the window (or door for that matter), period! end of story.

AlphaXray

07:19PM | 04/19/05
Member Since: 03/03/05
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rjmcken may be correct about how Semco windows are constructed today. Regardless of what you call the material (tape or caulk) that seals the window to the aluminum clad, it is disintegrating on our windows. When cleaning the glass outside using soap and water, when the cleaning rag wipes against the material it smears white over the entire window. It is very difficult to clean off. Please don’t confuse the two separate problems that we are having with the windows. The first is seal failure of the window in which we get moisture between the two panes of the glass. It is surprising that this started to occur in less than five years. The second problem is the water infiltration THROUGH the sash—not through the frame of the window and not around the sash. The problems has nothing to do with flashing and caulk around the window—that is not how the water is entering. I contacted Semco and provided them with photos of the water entering through the base of the sash. Over a five year period they kept dropping the ball dragging out the entire process. In the end, they refused to solve any of their problems.

awydry

11:16AM | 04/23/05
Member Since: 04/22/05
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I put Semco windows in my house 25 years ago. I had a five year warranty. The glass fogged up within the first 3 years. Semco said I got a batch of bad glass and extended my warranty to ten years and replaced all bad glass. I, however, had to install it myself. At nine years went though the house and replaced all bad glass, including the patio doors. Now, today, at 28 years, I have one window that needs replacement and about 25 panes of glass to be replaced at my expense. I have 35 windows andtwo sets of patio doors which I replaced last year. You can't contact Semco, only through dealer. I'm locked in now, but wouldn't put them in a new house again. The seal just isn't there. It's funny that the windows on the west side of the house have been just fine, but they are smaller in size.

markg612

09:41PM | 10/16/06
Member Since: 10/16/06
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THESE LOSERS DO NOT WARRANTY THERE PRODUCT. THE GUARANTEE IS WORTHLESS.

THE WARRANTY REP BALD FACE LIES RIGHT TO YOUR FACE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. HE HASN'T THE TIME OF DAY FOR
ANYONE WITH A DEFECTIVE SEMCO PRODUCT.

MY WINDOWS LEAK THROGH THE SASHES AND STILES LIKE SIVS. I'VE CAULKED
VIRTUALLY EVERY SEEM AND THEY STILL LEAK. I'VE CHANGED A ROTTED SECTION THAT
WAS 4 YEARS OLD AND COMPLETELY DISINTEGRATED FROM WATER INFILTRATION.

THESE ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE WORST WINDOW IN THE WORLD, THEY'RE POORLY UN-ENGINEERED JUNK, THE
COMPANY IS DOES NOT STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT IN ANY WAY. LIKE TOMMY BOY--NOTHING MORE THAN A GUARANTEED PIECE OF WASTE.

SUE SUE SUE AND SUE SOME MORE. THESE THIEVES NEED TO PAY AND PAY BIG, THEY HAVE
TAKEN THE PUBLIC TO THE CLEANERS AND LAUGHED ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, NOW IT'S OUR TURN.

I hate SEMCO WITH A HOT HATE
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markg612

09:43PM | 10/16/06
Member Since: 10/16/06
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SUE SUE AND SUE.

THEY NEED TO PAY.

I hate SEMCO WITH A HOT HATE

rjmcken

11:50AM | 12/12/06
Member Since: 04/04/05
13 lifetime posts
I have Semco Windows in my home in Northern California. The windows are properly installed and have performed beautifully in some extremely harsh rain storms. I couldn't be more pleased with the product! The poster of this message seems to have some anger issues.

rjmcken

11:59AM | 12/12/06
Member Since: 04/04/05
13 lifetime posts
Boy, isn't this a typical response....let's hire a lawyer! Semco's been is business since 1941. They seem to have withstood the test of time pretty well. This poster is obviously not going win any awards for class!

rjmcken

12:37PM | 12/19/06
Member Since: 04/04/05
13 lifetime posts
Wow, this guy seems to have a real anger problem! Certainly has a problem with spelling and anger management! For the record I know several Semco dealers, and this certainly doesn't sound like the manner in which any of them or for that matter, Semco, would have acted. Semco is a long time window and millwork manufacturer with a fine product. Having been around since 1941 they seem to have withstood the test of time!

markg612

08:32AM | 04/25/07
Member Since: 10/16/06
3 lifetime posts
MORE LEAKS just last night, nearly a GALLON of water squeezed out of 10 towels mopping up the mess--Nice to see you have a degree in psychology as well as window engineering mr happy talk, your experience is unique, ours is times 30. The semco warrantee is clear that the wood frames are covered, but all semco needs to do is claim installation error and poof, off the hook. These junk window are installed in 30 units in our complex and all 30 units have leaks that would require a thousands dutch boys to plug. Nearly 500 window and door assemblies and 75% are leaking and rotting. Of the contractors we've hired to repair these now 6 year old rot bombs, all totally REFUSE replace with Semco. I could have put screens on the openings and stopped more water than semco windows hold back. The photo says it all. The photo, says it all! 3 years new and the frame is completely gone. Quality you cant find anywhere else. Thank god for Pella and Andersen.

HammerTime01

07:59PM | 04/29/07
Member Since: 04/18/07
26 lifetime posts
I always thought semco was good

junktoo08

11:11AM | 05/30/08
Member Since: 05/29/08
1 lifetime posts
WE CAME ACROSS THIS BOARD AND HAD TO PUT OUR BAD EXPERIENCE WITH SEMCO WINDOWS ON, TOO. THE PRODUCT IS THE POOREST QUALITY BY FAR OF ANYTHING IN OUR HOUSE.WIND BLOWS THROUGH OUR HOUSE AS IF THE WINDOWS WERE OPEN AND RAIN COMES IN LIKE WE HAVE THE SCREENS OPEN.ALL OF OUR WOOD IS ROTTEN AND OUR SECOND SET OF BLINDS ARE RUINED FROM WATERMARKS.THE REPS FROM SEMCO ARE LIARS AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT A HARDSHIP CAUSED BY AN UNFORTUNATE ENCOUNTER BY AN UNKNOWING CUSTOMER. ALL WE GOT WAS STROKED BY THE REP THAT CAME DOWN FROM WI. HE LIED TO US AND GAVE US NO HELP. ALL WE GOT WERE STORM WINDOWS!!! WHO HAS STORM WINDOWS ON THEIR NEW HOMES? 13 YEARS LATER WE'RE STILL LIVING WITH LEAKY WINDOWS AND ROTTING WOOD.MY ADVICE WOULD BE NOT TO EVEN CONSIDER SEMCO WINDOWS!

PatDasher20

04:57AM | 12/13/08
Member Since: 12/12/08
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We remodeled 13 years ago and replaced everything with Semco windows. After 10 years one exploded. Just the outside glass and Semco replaced it for us. But over the last three years we now have had five more explode. It happens when the temperatures freeze and the outside glass simply explodes and shatters. These also sweat and leak. Some glass goes flying out and thank God no one has been standing nearby when it happens. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening. I have talked to window contractors and they have never heard of it before.

Pat

Brent11

05:33PM | 12/17/08
Member Since: 12/16/08
2 lifetime posts
I also have Semco windows installed professionally in 1990. The windows started leaking from day 1. I have their wood casement windows and the leaks are comming from water penetrating between the glass and L-chanel which holds the glass in the woood frame. It appears Semco used defective sealant and they are well aware of this problem.

In 2005, I replaced 3 of these windows with their improved Semco Clad casement windows. I can say, these didn't leak water inside the house like the old wood Semco windows did. However, I now can't crank open any of these new clad casement windows. It appears Semco still has not figured out where to buy good adhesive sealant. The alumium profile extrusions used to make the outside perimeters of the window all leak at the 45 degree cuts which have a cheap foam used to seal these open edges. I live in Wisconsin and winter temperatures cause the trapped water in these alumimum profile extrusions to expand upon freezing. The expansion of the alumimum pushes the frame inward making the window jammed shut.

I called the Semco Distributor last spring and followed up with Fax transmissions, and more calls regarding my problem. It has been 8 months now and Semco still has not responded. I took it upon myself to correct the problem by drilling several small holes to drain the trapped water. I have attached pic's showing the large quantity of trapped water in each vertical window clad side. Each hole "****ed" for over 90 seconds with water. I have attached pictures of Semco Windows LEAKING in action.... releaving the pressure.

I devised a gig that pushed the alumium back in place so the windows will function again.

As for Semco, I will keep you posted.

Brent11

05:45PM | 12/17/08
Member Since: 12/16/08
2 lifetime posts
Just an update on the SEMCO CLAD casement windows installed in 2005. After drilling 3 small holes to releave the water pressure inside the profile extrusions of the window frame, and after pushing the metal back into place, the windows will now operate correctly. I drilled the holes on the outward side of the casement wiper seal so that any trapped water could drain to the outside and not get trapped inside of this seal. As winter now sets in here, I will see if this solves the binding problem. If you look at the photo's, you can see the extreme pressure exerted on the window as it scrapped open causing the paint to be scrapped off to bare metal.

I have now caulked all 45 degree corners of the window frame to stop any water from getting into the profile extrusions of the window exterior.

Gee, if Semco could only buy some good sealents!! They might have a decent window..... NAW!!
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mrlamb

09:08AM | 12/22/08
Member Since: 12/21/08
1 lifetime posts
We have Semco windows throughout our 8 yr condo. The condensation on the interior glass is horrible. When outside temps are under 40 degrees there is condensation on all windows. If temps are lower than 20 degrees there is frost and ice.

I have never seen this problem with home windows. Does anyone know what would cause this?

It is ruining our wood frames and if the water is not kept wiped off it runs onto the floor causing more problems. Help!

We do not have a humidifier on the furnace or generate much humidity inside.

windows08

03:37PM | 12/28/08
Member Since: 12/27/08
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We had Semco windows installed when our house was built in 1989. Ever since, when the temp drops a certain degree we also get lots of condensation. When it gets cold in winters (we live in Wisconsin), then we get mounds of ice build up on the inside!! Gee, are windows suppose to have ice on the inside?? Needless to say, the wood around the windows is now rotted and moldy. I have to blow a fan on them to "melt" the ice. You can also feel the cold air coming in like a breeze. These are the worst windows ever and will never even consider using them again. Semco at one point tried to blame it on being a new house and lots of moisture. Nineteen yrs. later?? News flash, not a new house anymore. We even run a dehumidifier. They are no help at all about fixing the problem and yes, they do know the product is defective. At least I now know I'm not alone with this problem.....

rlen588

04:46PM | 03/26/09
Member Since: 03/25/09
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Semco windows manufactured around 1990 had several problems.

One of the problems is that the pressure of the gas used to fill the space between the inside and outside panes of glass is lower than the atmospheric pressure causing the two panes of glass to deform. The result is that the spacing between the glass near the center of the window is very small in comparison to the proper spacing that you will have at the edges of the window.

The defect causes two things to happen. First, when it is cold outside, condensations will form near the center of the window pain on the inside of the house. This happens because the window is poorly insulated where the two panes of glass are nearly touching causing the glass to be cold enough to cause condensation. The second thing that may happen is that the windows may explode when the temperature is very cold outside.

Semco has known about the problem well before the warranty expired on the windows. What they can do is measure the spacing between the glass. If the spacing is below a certain tolerance, they know the window glass is defective. To solve the problem, they will drill a tiny hole into the window to relieve the pressure difference and after a minute or two they will seal the tiny hole. This will take care of the above problems and your family will be safe.

Unfortunately, you will end up with this tiny hole in all your window panes and sometimes the sealing of the holes is not completely effective and condensations will form inside between the two panes of glass as moisture can get inside. But it beats having your windows explode without notice.

The other problems with the windows are pretty well outlined in other posts. If you have Semco window manufactured around 1990, I share your pain.

Yooperdude

07:18AM | 04/29/09
Member Since: 04/28/09
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We have a Semco casement unit in our laundry room, and other than having to bend the locking latches to line up a little better, they have performed well. These were installed in 2005. On the other hand, if I get a lot of time on my hands I will submit a lengthy post on my housefull of Kolbe and Kolbe windows, which are utter garbage. Avoid K&K products at all costs.

scpoehling

06:21PM | 06/05/09
Member Since: 06/04/09
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I am reading the threads on Semco windows and have to agree. We are in an 11 yr. old home, and 21 of our windows are rotted. Double casement windows where the sill piece is completely rotted through to the outside. Has anyone followed through with a class action lawsuit? How do we begin?

1dbrenrak

10:22PM | 06/27/09
Member Since: 06/27/09
1 lifetime posts
Howdy all,

Clearly I found my way to this site because some of our SEMCO windows also are failing. Our double-hung wood with aluminum exteriors windows actually are all doing well (15 out of 15 working without a problem...installed in 2004). The casement windows ( 3 of them) all have broken seals, with the interior of the double panes being filmy (seals broke within 1 year of installation). The company requires us to work through the window supplier rather than working with us directly to replace the glass only (as stated in the warrantee).

I wouldn't recommend the casement windows based on my (and your) experiences.

catamaran

01:24PM | 10/08/09
Member Since: 10/07/09
3 lifetime posts
This house was built in 1997 by a reputable builder as a spec house. It has over 25 Semco windows, mainly fixed and crank out wood casement type with a 1 patio door and 1 exterior french door. Recently the home owner noticed that the sill on one of the crank casment windows was rotting. When I inspected the window I found that not only the sill has rotted but also the sash across the bottom and the window jam at the bottom on both sides.When I started to crank open the window in just fell apart. What remained of the sill appeared to be canted inward thus allowing water to run toward the wood frame. The wood trim around the jam was also rotting. I removed the window from the opening and found rot had spread into the framing of the house below the window open, which involved studs and other framing members as well as down to the base plate and the sub-floor. Total cost to repair this water damge is in excess of $2,500 and that is only 1 window. As of today, the inspection continues. I don't know what caused this failure, my guess is a a combination of poor quality window and faulty installation by the construction company. I did also note several other mistakes by the construction crew, so the owner is now deciding what she is going to do about all the problems recently discovered. Stay tune for up-dates as they become available

powrus

06:25AM | 10/15/09
Member Since: 10/14/09
4 lifetime posts
We built our Indiana home in 1996 and installed 15 Semco DH clad windows. From the start we experienced problems with the ease of opening and closing the windows, but neglected to file any sort of formal complaint. Our local supplier went out of business and the nearest dealer was more than 50 miles away from our home.

Last year, while experiencing numerous breaks and flaws with the block and tackle shoes in the jam liners we ordered several replacements. To install the little shoes, the jam liner needs to be removed. What we experienced during the removal of the jam liner was frightening. Lots of leakage and lots of wood rot as a result of faulty seals with the Semco window configuration. We can only imagine the total outcome of wood rot and devastation if we were to remove and inspect all our windows.

WindowGuy90210

08:56AM | 10/19/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
5 lifetime posts
Come on who do you think you're fooling. I've been using Semco windows in all projects for the past 10 years. I've yet to have one problem worth mentioning. In addition any issues that have arisen have been handled quickly by Semco. I would highly recommend using Semco windows and doors. I hope anyone viewing this site to choose a window line can see through the lies here. Just out of curiousity I wonder if these people trashing a wonderful built product are employed by Semco's competition or are they just bored talking trash about something they know nothing of???

WindowGuy90210

08:59AM | 10/19/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
5 lifetime posts
Semco is a quality product that the company stands behind. I've literally installed 100's of Semco windows and doors and NEVER have had a problem. Their customer service is excellent and they're quick to respond to any problems. Good luck getting someone from Jeld-Wen, Marvin, Pella, etc. to even respond to any issues you have. In direct response to get a lawyer if you have Semco product I say get a life and find out what you're talking about before trashing a reputable company. Again I know first hand this is a quality product and would openly invite anyone who doesn't think so to explain why they feel that way. I'm confident I could correct your false opinion with fact!!!!!

WindowGuy90210

09:19AM | 10/19/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
5 lifetime posts
Thank God for Pella and Anderson??? This is exactly why home owners must be very careful in researching a window for their home. You trash the Semco product while clearly proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Just wondering how much Pella or Anderson paid you to write the post trashing Semco????

beevee12

04:14PM | 10/19/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
6 lifetime posts
I am not a rep of Pella or Andersen.

We built our house in 1994. Our builder recomended Semco over the Andersen windows that our plans called for. We are screwed. All 10 of our upstair bedrooms windows have rotton sills. The 2 in the garage are completely inoperatable due to water damage. The big fixed picture window in my computer room..(looking at it right now)has water marks on the wood trim and the wall below. They all leak air too. In the winter you can see the curtains waving. We should have went with our first pick Anderson but we were trying to save a few bucks. When I contacted the Semco dealer he said maybe they were not installed right. He might have a point but this builder used Semco exclusively. He got about as defensive about the windows as Windowguy on this forum did.

catamaran

07:35AM | 10/20/09
Member Since: 10/07/09
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If you have been using Semco Windows for ten years then you may have a "BIG" surprise waiting for you......when people tell you for over 10 years that you are making a poor product and it continues I really doubt there is any conspiracy or organized campaign by Semco's competition to smear a good product. The people at Pella and Anderson just compete by building a better product and service their customers with better warranties and service personal. I have nothing to gain or lose by reccomending any particular brand of windows in my projects but when cost , quality, service and reliability are discussed, my clients NEVER ask for Semco....so I wonder why you would use their products exclusively if you're not getting a commission for the sales of those very poor quality windows

powrus

10:19AM | 10/20/09
Member Since: 10/14/09
4 lifetime posts
It's understandable that you would find the need to use the phrase, "I've been using Semco windows in all projects for the past 10 years" if you sell their product. To be totally honest - and not give a knee-jerk defensive reply to our group of homeowners who have bought an inferior product line (Semco Windows) - why not go back to one of your customers' homes and removed any one of their plastic jamb liners and inspect the rotting window frame at the [now] exposed window bottom? Why not do the actual inspection? Why not understand the Semco product is flawed? The design of the jamb's weather seal actually holds water and moisture which eventually rots the wood window frame. I have 17 out of 17 rotting window frames and rue the day I ever bought this Semco product.

powrus

11:21AM | 10/20/09
Member Since: 10/14/09
4 lifetime posts
I challenge to you revisit one of your homes with Semco windows and remove the sashes (if double-hung), then remove the plastic jamb liner, and then inspect the bottom of the window frame. The phrase, " I've sold hundreds without a complaint" doesn't wash here. How would you know about the viability of this product unless you actually did a comprehensive inspection behind the removable window jamb liners? My windows' flaws would have been hidden for 20 years had I not remodeled our kitchen and bumped out the front of our house ... intending upon reusing the Semco kitchen window. I was shocked at the deterioration of the window frame.

WindowGuy90210

12:17PM | 10/20/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
5 lifetime posts
I only have one question in response to your post. If Semco is an inferior product why is Pella copying them??? Semco introduced an integral pop out nailing fin years ago. Pella has now copied this. Funny thing how various window companies are copying both their nailing fin and their jamb liner. This is why I've taken the time to post fact and not opinion. It's not that I'm personally benefiting in any way. It's the fact that it disgusts me to read post that are clearly incorrect and the author in all reality doesn't know the difference between a double hung and a casement. As for "powrus" I took your advice and removed all sashes and jamb liners in my two homes that have Semco windows. Guess what no leaking. Why aren't they leaking? Because I personally flashed and installed them. I really hope people reading these post can realize who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Both "powrus" and "catamaran" along with many others posting I'm sure have hidden agendas. Mine is very simple. Correct the uneducated people trashing a reputable company. Also "catamaran" and "powrus" I really hope neither of you are contractors and if so I feel sorry for your clients. I recommend you hire a quality contractor to come by and asses your problem. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts your issue is either installation or in the contruction of your home and not in a flawed Semco product!!!!

WindowGuy90210

12:18PM | 10/20/09
Member Since: 10/18/09
5 lifetime posts
Clearly your windows weren't installed correctly. Really I mean come on. I hope everyone reading these posts can realize that as easily as I can.

Mark362

01:29PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 12/06/09
10 lifetime posts
I am a custom home builder for the last 31 years. I have used Weathershield, Marvin, Anderson, Kolby and Kolby, Hurd and Semco. The truth is most window problems are a result of poor installation, we will have a problem once in a while when we have new carpenters that refuse to learn new ways of installing windows. My preference is a Semco window over all of the other brands. Why? A great window with great specs, good delivery, good service (though we have had the Semco Rep out but 6-7 times out of the 190 homes (say 3000 windows)that we have installed Semco in and importantly a very good price. The other brands are fine, but if you are looking for the best overall package and money is an issue, Semco is a top choice. If a customer asks me what window I recommend it is Semco, I have used it in the last 5 homes I have built for myself. (13 homes total so far for myself!) I often wonder on these forums when you see such hostile complaints and then I note that there are primarily 3 screen names that make the same complaints over and over if they are even legitimate complaints or a fraud. If any one has questions, feel free to call me. Mark Etrheim, Mastercraft Homes, LaCrosse, WI 608-781-7200

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

eMcCoy08

01:32PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 11/19/09
3 lifetime posts
Comparing some of these posts to what I experienced...it doesn't even sound like the same company.

About a year after purchase, we noticed some leaking around one of our casement windows. We called Semco Windows to voice our concern and see what could be done about it.

Semco said it was probably installation error. Even so, they offered to have a service tech come check it out. The service tech came a couple weeks later, determined the damage was due to improper installation, but still offered to replace it! The rest of our windows are still fine, and the new replacement one is holding up well also. I am quite happy with my Semco Windows.

powrus

04:45PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 10/14/09
4 lifetime posts
Hi Mark - Interesting how you preface your reply with all your credentials in such a manner that suggests that hundreds of other contractors don't have your level of expertise, etc. You seem to be one of the few people who know how to "properly" install a Semco window.

Also, since you have not had any problems with this issue you indicate anyone who disagrees with your point of view is [somehow] perpetrating a scam of some sort - on behalf of Semco competitors. Just because you haven't had complaints doesn't mean things aren't rotting under the surface of the window.

I'm a contractor/homeowner who installed 17 Semco windows in my home 12 years ago and found them to be poorly designed which subsequently allowed moisture penetration - The caulking was defective/inferior straight from the factory. This problem only surfaces when the underlying Semco window frame has been exposed. Have you done that ... for real? Have you revisited a Semco window a few years following installation and actually looked beneath? {of course you will say, "yes")

Call me to see if I am part of the great scheme to mischaracterize Semco windows. 812) 825-8454.

Roger

Mark362

05:41PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 12/06/09
10 lifetime posts
Rereading my email I don't see how I am doing anything other than establishing the fact that I have installed thousands of Semco windows and have had fewer problems than I have had with other windows. I did not imply that we are the only contractors who can install properly and in fact said we do in fact have problems with new employees not doing it correctly. I will have to respectfully point out that installing one house of Semco windows 12 years ago probably is not a proof that the brand is bad. When we used Kolby and Kolby we had problems with the leakage due to (I believe) poor sealing application at the factory, they blamed it on a new caulk. Interesting that this is what made me switch to Semco and even more interesting that that was 12 years ago!? We still install Anderson, Marvin, Hurd, Pella windows once or twice a year based on customer preerence and I can't say we have any significant problems with them either. My experience is that Semco is a great window with a nice appearance, good pricing and service after the sale. My objection to your conclusion is the limited number of windows from 12 years ago certainly does not indicate it is a "junk" window. The time and effort required to post negative comments multiple times suggests something to me, but I have no doubt that your experience with Semco was bad. I have a house full of Pella window in a lodge up north and I have had significant problems with them. 3 leaks, 4 seal failures. But I have also installed maybe a couple hundred Pella's in other homes with out issues. Should I conclude that they are junk?

The reality is that all products are not perfect all of the time, there are bad batches, for me the question is does the company stand behind their mistakes? And yes we have looked at the Semco's after a few years, given how much remodeling and additions we are now doing vs new homes. If we got them installed right we just haven't seen any issues. Mostly Casements, but my own home is all double hungs and sliders. 4 years old is not an acid test, but no leaks, one seal failure and one stress crack to date, all of which Semco stood behind without question.

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

05:46PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 12/06/09
10 lifetime posts
Certainally looks bad, are you certain they were installed correctly? What did the Rep say? Did he blame it on installation (Sales Reps all say that right away and I would heartily agree that that is a lasy dishonest answer) But if he looked and made that conclusion, I understand that you do not like it, but...

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

05:51PM | 12/07/09
Member Since: 12/06/09
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Just looking at all the problems stated about Semco I realized that virtually all of the problems are in the 1990 to 1997 years. I started using them in 1998, so we probably not talking about the same designed window, just the same brand?? Products and companies change, I sure would not want my customers from 25 years ago to assume that we are of the same skill level we were then as we are now.

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

eMcCoy08

09:33AM | 12/08/09
Member Since: 11/19/09
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I agree...that's why I was surprised to see all the negative comments. But my windows, too, are newer (2007).

It seems that Semco has made a turn for the better in recent years.

LisaKay

10:47AM | 12/29/09
Member Since: 12/28/09
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I was just looking for information on how to repair our Semco windows and came across this site. We have 18-yr-old Semco wood windows. At least 6 fog up, one has a completely rotted frame, 2 slam down when you slide them up, and 4 will fall out of the window completely if you unlatch them (they slide sideways). The last problem we found out the hard way. Fortunately, no one was below the one 2nd-story window when it fell. In addition, as I read in other folks' comments, the windows let in an incredible amount of air. There is literally a breeze blowing in through our windows during windy weather. I just wanted to let you know that I don't believe these other folks are liars, because these problems are happening with our windows. I'm not even sure how to repair them. We have just been keeping them latched and hoping none of our kids will try to open them.

rjmcken

12:09PM | 12/29/09
Member Since: 04/04/05
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Lisa:

Your problems can be taken care of although they may not be warranty issues after 18 years. If you would like to give me a contact number at rjmck@aol.com I can call you and discuss the problem. In the e-mail please let me know what state you are located in and it might be helpful to know the name of the dealer.

Mark362

02:05PM | 12/30/09
Member Since: 12/06/09
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I do not doubt that there are window problems with Semco (or Anderson, Marvin, Kolby and Kolby for that matter.) I have been using Semco in 80% of the homes I build (couple dozen a year) for the last 11 years or so. We have had very good luck with them and the problems we have had were because the guys did not install them correctly (50%?), window problem (50%?) Semco has taken care of legitimate issues at the 90% level. 18 year old windows? Wow, who knows if they were installed correctly or taken care of during that period. Wood windows have issues with the wood rotting on the inside if they are allowed to condensate and not get cleaned up or they are not revarnished every 5-7 years. This is a universal problem and if I had my way the inside of the window would be plastic, but no one likes plastic on the inside of their window and insists on wood (myself included). With that decision comes the responsibility to take care of them. I would find a good experienced contractor to come out and take a look at them and see what can be done to salvage/fix/replace them. Maybe consider a vinyl replacement window, but when we use them we get a fair amount of complaints about how much they leak air. If you want to call and talk about it feel free to call me. 608-781-7200 Mastercraft Homes Inc, LaCrosse WI

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

02:16PM | 12/30/09
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Actually this is simple problem, but expensive to undo the damage. Condensation is a result of the humidity being to high in the house when it is cold. Truth is a home is not livable if you get the humidity low enough so there is no condensation. Try reading this web sites explanation of teh problem to understand it.

http://www.askthebuilder.com/711_Window_Condensation.shtml

We install a simple fresh air system that is controled by a humidistat that simply turns on a super quiet exhaust fan. There is a barameteric damper (skuttle) installed into teh cold side of the furnace duct work to allow fresh air in whenever the house gets under negative pressure from any fan or exhaust. It works! When you see condesation on the glass turn the humidstat down just like a thermastat. It takes a few days typically to vent the excess humidity. The purists tell you to use an air to air heat exchanger at an installed cost of $2000+, this sytem costs $400 or so. It increases your heating bill around $60 a year in Wisconsin, compared to the interest cost of $96 to borrow the extra $1600 to install the air to air. I'm green but it still needs to make good sense.

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

AlphaXray

05:57AM | 01/04/10
Member Since: 03/03/05
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I was one of the original posters to this thread, owning Semco windows that were less than 5 years old and having serious problems that Semco wouldn't acknowledge.

I thought everyone would like to know that a few years ago we replaced the Semco windows windows in our home--quite expensive given the number of windows.

As the Semco windows were being replaced, I took the opportunity to disassemble the sash on a few of the windows to see why there was water coming into our home.

Recall, we have casement windows, so the sash, the movable portion of the window, is easily removed. Each sash consists of the double pane glass unit surrounded by a wood frame. On our casement windows, the crank opens and closes the sash and there were two levers to secure and lock the sash closed.

I took the sash and using a wood saw carefully made a perpendicular cut through the horizontal members of the wood frame at the top and the bottom, allowing me to separate the wood frame from the glass.

Examining the saw cuts, the wood at the top of the window looked like new pine.

In contrast, the wood exposed by the cross cut of the bottom frame member was gray stained through and through and rotting indicating water exposure. The contrast between the top member and bottom member was striking, new wood vs. gray. It appeared that water was running down the glass on the outside of the window and getting between the glass pane and the wood frame, soaking the wood through. This pattern repeated on all the windows I checked.

As I suspected, it appears the water pouring through our Semco windows during heavy rain was entering through the sash, not around the sash, and not around the complete window assembly.

Based on my experience, I would not recommend Semco windows. Not just because our Semco windows leaked, but more importantly because of their denial of any problem and poor customer support.

BrendanD

08:46AM | 01/14/10
Member Since: 01/13/10
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I wanted to post my feelings about Semco Windows.

I have built many homes and used Semco in most of them (as well as Kolbe & Kolbe and Marvin). The Semco Windows have all performed beautifully and on par with the others I've used.

I suggest if you want a great window for a reasonable price, go with Semco. If you really want to spend big money, go for a higher-end brand, but you won't get that much more quality and performance out of them. To me, Semco is a good value.

All companies have their upset customers, and it appears there are a few on here, but other builders I know also have a good opinion of Semco, just like I do.

Take it from someone who has been in the building industry for many years...Semco Windows are a good choice.

Also note: They have an outstanding warranty/service department. When I've had to deal with them for some minor things (i.e. lost crank handles, etc), they have always been courteous and prompt.

fishglenn

11:00AM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 01/14/10
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I paid extra for vinyl clad Semco windows, after 3 years I started repairing, thinking the lead was from the framing,

What a mistake, two windows entirely rotted out, and took house structure with it. Finally had them replaced, installer indicated windows had been leaking from day one, and showed me the water path, No seal on exterior between glass and vinyl clad aluminum frame. Absolute crap

UpNorthGuy75

01:53PM | 01/15/10
Member Since: 01/14/10
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fishglenn, there is no such thing as a Semco vinyl window -- they only make wood windows with aluminum cladding.

I know this because I have been looking into purchasing their windows.

As I've been researching, some of the postings on here don't even make sense...I really question their validity.

Luckily I have a dealer showroom close by and have taken the time to look at the windows in person. The dealer had very positive things to say about them also.

arizona123

04:10PM | 01/25/10
Member Since: 01/24/10
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Hi Mark,

I have enjoyed reading your comments.

We have recently moved to the mountains in Arizona and our home is at 6,000ft.

Winters can be harsh. My builder has recommended Semco - but I would also appreciate knowing what brand you would give a close 2nd to? I am concerned that I cannot find any rankings from professional consumer organizations on them? Marvin seems to be respected - but they also seem to be very, very expensive. I have always thought Pella

was "the best money can buy"....what do you think?

Thanks so much.

motrads

04:17AM | 01/29/10
Member Since: 01/28/10
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The Semco Windows and Patio Doors in my 6 yr old home are the worst I have seen, and it makes me sick to look at them. When ever the temperature outside gets below about 40 degrees a 2 or 3 inch strip of moisture builds up on the bottom of the glass. If I don't towel dry it a quarter inch puddle will accumulate on the wood trim. When the temp drops below about 20 degrees the window and wood trim become covered in frost and ice. As a result the wood trim has all turned black and rotten on the bottom of all my windows. The humidity in my home is normally around 38%.

My Brother used Anderson Windows in his home. The same builder constructed his home the same summer, and it's nearly identical to mine. He has no moisture on his windows at all. He even uses his April Aire and raises the humidity to about 50% as the Children's doctor recomends. Even if he ever did get some moisture the windows are vinyl clad inside so there would be no damage.

Semco windows may by fine in warmer climates, but here in Wisconsin they are terrible. I am worried about how much damage may be occuring that I am unable to see.

People may try to say the windows are incorrectly installed, but when I compare these two homes built alike I feel the problem is with the Semco Windows.
6848 i recomend anderson

motrads

04:38AM | 01/29/10
Member Since: 01/28/10
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Semco
6849 close up

ClintFelker

06:14AM | 02/03/10
Member Since: 02/02/10
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I'm not sure why people complain about condensation when that is not really the window's fault. To eliminate condensation, all you need is low humidity and proper air flow (i.e. no curtains holding all the air against the window constantly).

I can say that I own Semco Windows that were purchased in 2001 (making them almost 10 years old now) and I haven't had a problem with them. Sure occasional condensation happens, but that does with any window (and it's not nearly as much as motrads posting).

I agree with some of the other folks who have had good experience with Semco, and was actually surprised to see negative opinions.

Clinton Felker

Palatine, IL

motrads

08:43AM | 02/05/10
Member Since: 01/28/10
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Why would you even consider Semco after seeing these photos. I have experienced both Anderson and Semco under the same conditions and Anderson is a much better performer. My humidity is around 36% today. How low do you think it should be? Any lower is not comfortable or healthy. The Andersons have no moisture problem even at 50% using a humidifier. My next house will be built with vinyl clad Andersons. End of Problem.

MarkusJ68

01:21PM | 02/14/10
Member Since: 02/13/10
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Hello all!

In my recent decision to purchase a fixer upper home, I knew I was going to need some new windows. I browsed the internet, in search of a good, fair-priced window. I didn't want to spend top dollar, but I still wanted quality.

I had heard of Semco Windows , but was doubtful about their product after reading some of the feedback on this message board. I was strongly encouraged to give them a try by my local Hines lumber yard. I eventually settled on the Semco windows, after looking at both Kolbe and Andersen(both also nice windows), because the price was right.

I have to say my windows look just as beautiful as the ones in the showroom I was at, and they seem to be working great. I'm very satisfied with my purchase and will go with Semco again in the future.

MerrillJeff

06:25AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 02/19/10
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SEMCO has never made a good window in my opionon and I should know as a previous employee on the casement line. The employess (Union Shop) just don't care and since we started making our own glass two years ago I would never purchase any of their products. The workforce does not care and has never gotten along with the family, nor does the family get along with each other,,, sad sad situation at SEMCO

rjmcken

10:38AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 04/04/05
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First of all Semco does make an excellent product. All products are tested and built in accordance with NFRC standards. With respect to condensation, there is an excellent piece of independent literature that will answer your questions. Please go to the following link: http://www.nfrc.org/documents/Condensation.pdf

It is very interesting that most of the people posting on this website do not have to substantiate their comments. Given the same inside temperature and humidity and the same outside temperature, virtually every manufacturer's product will have interior condensation at the same time. That is simply because the glass, not the other components are the weak link in the thermal conductivity chain. Given the same type of glass and the above conditions all products will perform approximately the same. For the record, Semco and Andersen both use Cardinal Low-E.

rjmcken

10:42AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 04/04/05
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Interesting since Andersen and Semco both use L/E by Cardinal. Condensation is a function of humidity and temperature, not just one or the other. http://www.nfrc.org/documents/Condensation.pdf

The above link will explain it to you.

rjmcken

10:45AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 04/04/05
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http://www.nfrc.org/documents/Condensation.pdf

Pretty simple..... Incidentally, Andersen and Semco both use L/E by Cardinal.

MerrillJeff

11:35AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 02/19/10
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Correct they both use Cardinal glass, Semco has their own insulated glass line they purchased 3 years ago. They should have continued to purchase "IGS" from them instead of making their own IGS. SEMCO has gone down the tubes since the owner died two years ago

MerrillJeff

11:38AM | 02/20/10
Member Since: 02/19/10
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SEMCO makes all of the insulated glass they use... they purchase clear and LOE from Cardinal as their website states!

MerrillJeff

02:34AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 02/19/10
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You must work for SEMCO, my guess outside sales

catamaran

07:24AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 10/07/09
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Anything But Semco Windows...probably the best reccomendation you could get would be to ask the question of your builder..."What kind of windows do you have in your home?" But if your builder is constantly moving in and out of his newly constructed "spec" houses I would be suspectious of his answer. We have done warranty work for most brands of windows.....mostly because of poor workmanship on the installation of these windows. The next response was also right on the money....the heat and cooling systems do have a big influence on the indoors enviroment. But by saying that we have found that poor workmanship and poor installation and configuration of that system does play a major roll. I don't believe there is a #1 choice for best window on the market....too many variables. Just make sure that which ever manufacturer of the windows you choose has a track record both locally and nationally of honoring the warranty of their products. Your building budget will determine which windows your will purchase and install on your project. By the way, in my own home I have Andersen wood casement windows with a clad exterior. They have preformed well in the harsh season conditions in Michigan. We have installed Andersen, Pella, Marvin, Jeld-Wen, Semco and several other locally produced windows in our residencal projects. The better performing windows always cost more intially....but we still reccomend those higher cost brands for several reasons. #1 better insulation (R value) of the pricer windows thereby reducing heating/cooling costs. #2 lower maintenance over the cheaper windows. # 3 resale value of the home.

Mark362

10:29AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 12/06/09
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Well, out of all the windows we have used over the last 32 years, the least 9-10 have been Semco with the least amount of trouble. Pella offers 3 disctint lines, ProLine, Designer, Architect. If you want the best, hard to beat teh Pella archtect series, but they are $$$$$ Proline is affordable, but the aluminum extrutionsare much thinner and they do not offer the ridged nailing fins and the adjustable casement sashes. Colors are also limited. Seems like we have some vociferous haters on this blog when it comes to Semco, but I suspect that they have alterior motives, maybe if they left their name and phone number I could grant them some credibility. I have nothing to gain if you purchase Semco. I think Hurd makes a great window, not as appealing aesthetically as Semco, but very good functionality. I heard they were in financial straights, but do not know that as fact. Anderson is a very good window, they didn't get to be #1 by making a bad window, but they are more than Semco, Hurd, Pella Pro, and are a very small step below in specs. I have a couple of Builder friends that have been at it as long as I have and they would throw me off the cliff with that statement, they think Anderson is the best period. But I point out that that is the only window they have ever used! Marvin is excellent, but more money as you point out. The critical part of this is to spec the windows out correctly when you order them. I am going to guess that many of the Semco problems that are legitimate on this blog are a result of the windows being ordered with just insulated glass, not low e argon with warm edge. Makes a significant difference. Semco offers plain insulated, I do not think Anderson does. If a had to choose and Semco was out of business I would look at Hurd, Pella Pro, then Anderson and Marvin. If you want less window problems, use less windows! yes I know, I didn't do that either when I built my last couple of houses.

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

10:42AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 12/06/09
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So 17 windows 12 years ago makes you qualified to trash a product? You might well have had a serious problem, every product I use has issues once in a while, including Anderson, Pella, Hurd, Semco,and Marvin. I just don't think that that is enough information to make a broad based conclusion. If asked to evaluate Alliance windows for instance, I pass, despite the fact that I used them in 3 homes and had serious problems. Not enough information. The web makes us all experts?

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

10:47AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 12/06/09
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Semco does not make a Vinyl clad window! Extruded aluminum frame with a wood inside. or all wood, just not vinyl.

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

Mark362

10:51AM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 12/06/09
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Wow, a rational, thoughtful response. Thanks, this medium could be very helpful if you could some how qualify the blogger?

Mark Etrheim, President Mastercraft Homes Inc

rjmcken

12:14PM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 04/04/05
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Semco hasn't gone down the tubes since Mr. Semling passed away....rather, the market has gone down the tubes. Your's sounds like the ranting of a disgruntled employee.....

MerrillJeff

03:45PM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 02/19/10
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I'm not mad at SEMCO, just want the consumers to be aware how much of a low quality window producer they have become in the past three years... As you are aware, we sold thousands of windows in the California area and have had numerous returns with many of them. I hope SEMCO can return to making quality products in the future

beevee12

05:43PM | 02/21/10
Member Since: 10/18/09
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Hey all. I did not find this post just to slam Semco windows. I am not an expert nor do I work for the competition... I am a home owner with semco windows and they suck. We moved from a house in 1994 with single pane windows. When we built, the builder used Semco and we thought they where good windows. Wow we were wrong.I just bought 8 new Andersen windows and will buy the other 3 later this year. The ones that were not exposed to the weather are doing good. Once again I am not out to SLAM SEMCO but if I had it to do all over, they would and will never be installed in anything I build again. They were total junk...

loera19

11:43AM | 07/21/10
Member Since: 07/20/10
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I have been a contractor for the pass 15 years and I have never had a window leak or fog up due to manufactuer defect. I had one leak due to one of my guys installing incorrectly. I would recommend them over Andersen or Eagle, very easy to install. The only window I like more is Marvin but its about 35 percent more.

woodone

05:24PM | 10/24/10
Member Since: 10/23/10
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I BUILT MY HOME IT IS 14 YEARS OLD AND PLAN TO LIVE IN FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

THE SEMCO WINDOWS HAVE HAD MOISTURE PROBLEM EARLY ON AFTER CONSTRUCTION THINKING IT WAS HUMIDITY AND WOULD TURN DOWN THE APRIL AIR NO HELP WITH THE MOISTURE AT ALL ON THE WINDOW MOISTURE BUILDING UP. I LIVE IN NORTHERN ILLINOIS AND YES IT GETS COLD OUT. SO I HAVE TO LIVE WITH SOME MOISTURE ON THE WINDOW. OK TODAY I WAS LOOKING THE HOUSE OVER AS WINTER IS ON THE WAY SO THE FIRST THING IS LOOK THE WIDOWS OVER MAKING SURE THE SEALS ARE IN PLACE AND A GENERAL LOOK SEE.

I OPEN THE WINDOW AND LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE AND CAN SEE THE WOOD IS BLACK NEXT TO THE CRANK MECHANISM I TAKE MY ICE PICK OUT AND POCK AROUND CHECKING THE SOUNDNESS OF THE WOOD AND FIND ROT

UNDER THE HOLE WINDOW DIRECTLY UNDER THE CLAD ALUMINUM AND DOWN ABOUT 12 INCHES ACROSS THE HOLE WINDOW GREAT. SO IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE A CONTRACTOR THAT DOES NOT LIVE IN THE HOME HE IS GIVING OPINION ON BE MY GUEST. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE TO SIT HERE AND WASTE MY TIME WRITING THIS. THE REASON I' AM IS TO HELP THE POOR (SOB) THAT THINKS SEMCO WINDOWS ARE GREAT THERE ARE NOT

I WILL NO LONGER BE A CONSUMER OF ANYTHING UNLESS ABSOLUTE NECESSARY BECAUSE MOST THINGS ARE JUST MADE LIKE CRAP WITH PROFIT BEING THE SOLE REASON FOR THE SALES OF CONSUMER PRODUCTS ALL TO MAKE SOME JERK ALLOT OF MONEY. NO PRIDE IS LEFT IN THE USA JUST GET ON THE (F) TRAIN AND PAY PAY PAY

SEMCO SUCKS

PLEASE RESPOND IF YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM SAY SOMETHING. DO SOMETHING PUT DOWN YOUR GAME BOY AND SAY SOMETHING

beevee12

05:06AM | 11/08/10
Member Since: 10/18/09
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Hey everyone. During the removal of my Semco windows I did find alot of faulty construction practices. Huge gaps between the rough opening and the window unit itself. No tape along any of the windows. This was probably normal for the time 1994.The Andersens I put in(by the way same dimentions as the Semco)I taped and insulated around all the windows. I did it like I owned the place....Oh wait, I do. My builder was Wollard consrtuction services in Sunbury Ohio. He is probably retired by now. I am now in the process of replacing a rotted portion of roofing either due to faulty workmanship or design. After seeing the other work of my builder I'll go with the faulty workmanship idea......

beevee12

05:13AM | 11/08/10
Member Since: 10/18/09
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I re-read my post. The windows still suck. The condensation and Ice build up make for a cheap display. Don't buy Semco unless Semco will will replace them in 10 to 15 years. Don't buy these windows.....

beevee12

05:16AM | 11/08/10
Member Since: 10/18/09
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We have 2 6 foot sliders on the North back of the house. They wistle at you in the winter . Cold air blows right thru them...... Don't buy Semco. they are junk

ReplaceWindows

06:38PM | 02/09/11
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Elspeth01

08:18AM | 03/01/11
Member Since: 01/19/11
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rlbcrosslake

08:23PM | 04/24/11
Member Since: 04/24/11
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We also have semco windows that leak during driving rain storms. We originally thought the log siding was the issue, after thousands of dollars to redo all the logs, add an eyebrow between the upper windows and the lower slider, the leaking continues. Our home is 15 years old, we are now looking at replacing the windows. Rather discouraging, we never thought the windows were the issue, unfortunately, after the restoration we again had leaking so we decided to prove the windows had to be the issue. We used a garden hose and sprayed the windows, only to find our slider below continued to have leaking in the same places inside as before the log restoration. We also sprayed the logs excluding the windows with no leaking. We would like Semco to help with the replacement, not only the windows but the possible destruction to the inner walls. Has Semco offered to help anyone???

Bob
Bob

RPC

12:00PM | 09/16/11
Member Since: 09/03/11
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No leaks. BUT!!! In 7 years of a new home 5 windows have lost their seals. For the frist two window failures Semco replaced sash and window but it cost us $100 for the repair bill. The next 3 have been reported. Supposedly Semco is sending replacement glass at which point it will cost about $250 for the prepair. 5 failed windows in 7 years is a lot by any window company standard.


Mark.Sterling

05:52PM | 09/26/11
Member Since: 09/26/11
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I was told by the high end lumber yard that has a huge window and door display that Semco was the best also..boy were they wrong. I have leaks in the window seals the locks always fall out and I have 5 windows where the Balance...or as SEMCO calls it or sells it for $130 uninstalle Jamb liners have broken..a cheap little piece of string rots and breaks making the windows useless unless you prop them up with something. And I have a built in window over my foyer that is high dollar and it has leaked between the panes.. of course the standard answer if asked about warranty is that they must have been installed wrong...but the Semco rep from the lumber yard did the installation when the house was built.

Mike in LG

11:46AM | 11/21/12
Member Since: 11/21/12
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Brent 11 is on the right track, we have a similar problem with windows leaking and causing sill and sheathing damage and ours were installed properly and maintained properly. currently waiting on them to reply to rquest to replace 9 windows...live on a Lake and Lakeside windows all failed

Mike in LG

11:47AM | 11/21/12
Member Since: 11/21/12
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Brent 11 is on the right track, we have a similar problem with windows leaking and causing sill and sheathing damage and ours were installed properly and maintained properly. currently waiting on them to reply to rquest to replace 9 windows...live on a Lake and Lakeside windows all failed

BV000376

06:07PM | 02/14/13
My biggest problem with Semco is that a lot of the blue springs ? (in the track) broke and I have a lot of windows that slide down on their own. Mine are the tilt out double hung. I have numerous windows with these problems. One actually fell out completely during a storm, and hit me in the head, while laying on the couch. Makes it very hard to tilt them to clean. I need help when I clean them, because of them not being level. We also have sticks inside to hold the windows up. The springs to tilt windows have come out. They were installed in 1996, and have had some problems for quite a few years. I need someone from Semco to come out and see if they can be repaired

BV001059

04:10PM | 05/18/13
We have 48 semco windows 1-casement, 45 double hungs, and a large angle bay window and they all have problems. Bay window has a air leak, windows leak depending on which way the rain is driving from, some of the storms are rotting, and all the screens have to be replaced they are disinegrating. Are home is 10 years old and I think its terrible that these windows look the way they do. Semco windows are nothing but junk!!!! But I guess you get what you pay for.

BV001362

11:18PM | 06/19/13
I have several rotted storm windows. I'll never buy Semco again. Junk!

BV001476

09:48PM | 07/04/13
We live in a suburb of Chicago.We have Semco double hung in 7 of our 12 windows. We love them. We moved in our home in 2006. We have no idea when they were installed.(our house was built in 1972) All are in great shape. No problem with moisture or any of the glass. Four of the windows have storms installed and I love those too.

Constantine

10:26PM | 08/22/13
Member Since: 08/22/13
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Seems like you either love Semco windows or hate them - very little in between. Sounds like typical discourse in our world today. Forum posters are usually those who are passionate on either side of an issue. I am looking to replace 10 windows in my 28 year old home. I am having seal failures in my southern facing windows that are exposed to rain and direct sunlight. These are double hung insulated wood windows from an unknown manufacturer. I guess I shouldn't complain if they have lasted 28 years. In 2001, I added a master suite addition and had Semco windows installed - one large picture window unit with two casements on the sides, two double hung windows, one huge (6' x 9') casement with circle top, two fixed eyebrow windows over the tub and an octagon fixed. I have been very pleased with the windows - they operate flawlessly and I have had no condensation or water infiltration issues. I received a quote from the same supplier who provided the windows for the addition. Learning that Lowes is going to have 15% off of Pella windows and doors later this month, I asked for a quote. The Semco quote was $681 for a particular window and the Pella cost before the sale was $1,075 for an "equivalent" double hung windowfrom their Designer series. Too much difference - even with the discount. I think I'll go with the advice from the larger contractors and my personal experience. I did learn one thing on this blog - get experienced, professional installation!

BV001994

01:01PM | 09/02/13
While my problem isn't as severe as some of these postings it's equally as frustrating! I have 9 double hung units and the window itself isn't my issue. It's the design of the storm window that's built into it! My house was built in the year 2000 and at that time Semco used a aluminum clad Storm window. Shortly after they changed to an all aluminum storm unit. After talks with the area Rep I found out why. The design was flawed and eventually would lead to issues. With my windows past the warranty period Semco offered me a 15% discount to purchase their "new" replacement storms. They did tell me how to repair the old storms but to me that was just band aid over the real issue. So at a cost to me of over a $1100 I now have my storms on order. Semco was using the latest technology and thought it was the way to go. They obviously learned from their mistakes or they would've stayed with the clad design. I still think there should be a class action suit against them to help people like myself recoup the cost of replacement. To me? Windows should only need to be washed and cleaned, not totally replaced after 10 plus years!

BV002177

02:31PM | 09/26/13
We bought a multi-million dollar home in Newport Coast, CA. The builder, Standard Pacific, installed Semco windows and doors in these 100 homes. Within 2 years we all had windows and doors fog up and they had to be replaced. At first time it was free. Then they started to charge $100.00 per window for the installation fee. I have had my windows replaced 3 times in 10 years. To pay for just the installation for 20 windows costs me $2,000.00. Not to mention the time to take off from work for 3 days and move all the furniture away from the windows for the installation. The doors have been OK except for the locking unit. It is very difficult to lock these French doors. You have to pull up on them hard, then turn the lower lock. I hate them. I would never buy these doors or window.

BV002236

04:19AM | 10/04/13
We have had semco windows since our home was built in 1997. 42 plus window in our home...originally, we had issues with water and some sill damage. Semco removed several window and added corner plate at the bottom corners of the frame and then caulked around window frame seem. The window frame has a seem which was inheritely was designed poorly and has caused water to sit, and leak into the sill causign potential rot, mold issues.

Today, my issues are with condensation and possible gas leaks with the double pan casements. We have many of the 42 windows that build up condensate. I am at a loss on how to deal with this concern other then replacement of the window glass within the casements or replace altogether.


BV002287

02:37PM | 10/10/13
My builder put in 11 Semco patio doors in my new home 9 years ago and all 11 have failed. The glass is foggy all up and down the doors and looks bad! I would not buy Semco again.

NYCdoor

04:33AM | 10/18/13
Member Since: 10/18/13
3 lifetime posts

I have Semco Windows in my office in New York. The windows are properly installed.

BV002363

06:19PM | 10/20/13
We had 23 double hung low-E triple glazed windows installed in our home when it was constructed 25 yrs. ago, (1988). Initially we had a few problems with windows that were not square from the factory, which Semco replaced immediately at their expense. Since then we have had no problems with the double hungs except that they are difficult to fold out for cleaning. The new design is much easier to use. The problems we have had are with the aluminum clad storms. Due to faulty design and construction, the wood in the storms has rotted, the storms have lost integrity and are literally falling apart. We have to replace all of the storms. Has anyone else had this problem?

TTCB

03:51PM | 01/03/14
Member Since: 01/03/14
5 lifetime posts
I live in Crested Butte, CO at an elevation of around 8,500 feet. The climate is very dry and cold. I am having trouble excessive condensation and frostong along my windows and on all the seams around the windows. Water runs between the windows and the frame, leaving streaks on the wall, and water puddles up on the sills once the ice melts off of the window and surrounding wood. Semco says this is not their problem, which is fine. The rep from Boulder, CO was increadibly rude and condescending. He couldn't tell me why my windows were doing this, but that it was definitely not a window problem, and that "if I were you, I would be concerned about whats going on in my walls, not my windows". OK. My home was built in 2005. We bought it in 2009, and the condensation was going on then, and has continued to get worse. We don't have great air flow through the house because we have in floor heat. I keep the third floor (my bedroom) door open, and the vent fan is on 50% of the time. The humidity in the house ranges from 25%-35% depending on where you are in the house, and the temp/weather outside. This does not seem like excessive humidity to me. I understand that some condensation on the windows can be expected when it is 10 below outside, but this seems excessive to me. Plus, the entire window jam (sash maybe) is frozed and iced up. The rep told me that i should open my blinds at night and crack a window to let excess moisture out. The thirs floor windows do not open or close properly anymore because the wood is warped (likely from the freeze/thaw action ofn the wood).
Anyway, I am just trying to figure out how to proceed. See the pics below forexamples of our issues. I am not buying Semco windows again (obviously), which the rep was really nasty about, bashing Pella and Anderson in the process. For those of you that have had similar issues, 1)Did replacing the windows and sash improve the condensation issue on your windows? 2)what brand of windows do you suggest? 3) Can you recommend anything that I do to improve the issue in the short term before I can replace at least the third floor windows.
Thanks for any advise you may have.

Frosted seal 3

TTCB

03:52PM | 01/03/14
Member Since: 01/03/14
5 lifetime posts
I live in Crested Butte, CO at an elevation of around 8,500 feet. The climate is very dry and cold. I am having trouble excessive condensation and frostong along my windows and on all the seams around the windows. Water runs between the windows and the frame, leaving streaks on the wall, and water puddles up on the sills once the ice melts off of the window and surrounding wood. Semco says this is not their problem, which is fine. The rep from Boulder, CO was increadibly rude and condescending. He couldn't tell me why my windows were doing this, but that it was definitely not a window problem, and that "if I were you, I would be concerned about whats going on in my walls, not my windows". OK. My home was built in 2005. We bought it in 2009, and the condensation was going on then, and has continued to get worse. We don't have great air flow through the house because we have in floor heat. I keep the third floor (my bedroom) door open, and the vent fan is on 50% of the time. The humidity in the house ranges from 25%-35% depending on where you are in the house, and the temp/weather outside. This does not seem like excessive humidity to me. I understand that some condensation on the windows can be expected when it is 10 below outside, but this seems excessive to me. Plus, the entire window jam (sash maybe) is frozed and iced up. The rep told me that i should open my blinds at night and crack a window to let excess moisture out. The thirs floor windows do not open or close properly anymore because the wood is warped (likely from the freeze/thaw action ofn the wood).
Anyway, I am just trying to figure out how to proceed. See the pics below forexamples of our issues. I am not buying Semco windows again (obviously), which the rep was really nasty about, bashing Pella and Anderson in the process. For those of you that have had similar issues, 1)Did replacing the windows and sash improve the condensation issue on your windows? 2)what brand of windows do you suggest? 3) Can you recommend anything that I do to improve the issue in the short term before I can replace at least the third floor windows.
Thanks for any advise you may have.

TTCB

03:52PM | 01/03/14
Member Since: 01/03/14
5 lifetime posts
I live in Crested Butte, CO at an elevation of around 8,500 feet. The climate is very dry and cold. I am having trouble excessive condensation and frostong along my windows and on all the seams around the windows. Water runs between the windows and the frame, leaving streaks on the wall, and water puddles up on the sills once the ice melts off of the window and surrounding wood. Semco says this is not their problem, which is fine. The rep from Boulder, CO was increadibly rude and condescending. He couldn't tell me why my windows were doing this, but that it was definitely not a window problem, and that "if I were you, I would be concerned about whats going on in my walls, not my windows". OK. My home was built in 2005. We bought it in 2009, and the condensation was going on then, and has continued to get worse. We don't have great air flow through the house because we have in floor heat. I keep the third floor (my bedroom) door open, and the vent fan is on 50% of the time. The humidity in the house ranges from 25%-35% depending on where you are in the house, and the temp/weather outside. This does not seem like excessive humidity to me. I understand that some condensation on the windows can be expected when it is 10 below outside, but this seems excessive to me. Plus, the entire window jam (sash maybe) is frozed and iced up. The rep told me that i should open my blinds at night and crack a window to let excess moisture out. The thirs floor windows do not open or close properly anymore because the wood is warped (likely from the freeze/thaw action ofn the wood).
Anyway, I am just trying to figure out how to proceed. I am not buying Semco windows again (obviously), which the rep was really nasty about, bashing Pella and Anderson in the process. For those of you that have had similar issues, 1)Did replacing the windows and sash improve the condensation issue on your windows? 2)what brand of windows do you suggest? 3) Can you recommend anything that I do to improve the issue in the short term before I can replace at least the third floor windows.
Thanks for any advise you may have.

TTCB

03:58PM | 01/03/14
Member Since: 01/03/14
5 lifetime posts
Sorry I posted four times! It said there was en error, so I tried again, and now its up there a bunch......

BV003187

07:38PM | 02/06/14
I built my home 10 years ago and also am experiencing ice build up on the inside of my windows. Are they still under warranty. If so, how do I get them repaired under warranty?

Tina89

05:15AM | 02/07/14
Member Since: 02/07/14
21 lifetime posts
We installed Semco windows about 5 years ago & have had no problems with them.Have not had to replace any panes,no problems whatsoever with any of the Semcos I have installed.

BV003299

11:05PM | 02/19/14
We have a home built in 2000 with Semco double hung and casement windows and this is the poorest quality window I have ever seen. In the winter the condensation and frost on the inside is terrible. All the windows are rotting and have mold issue's in the winter. We live in Minnesota and our home was built by Mastercraft, would never replace with Semco!!

BV003757

04:03PM | 04/01/14
I am a consumer protection attorney working in Washington, DC and Maryland. My firm is investigating Semco windows. It would be helpful to our investigation if we could speak to anyone who has the windows installed in their home or business. If you are willing to have a brief conversation, I can be reached at (202) 789-3960 or by e-mail at brendant@cuneolaw.com. Thank you in advance for your consideration.
Brendan Thompson

BV006444

08:11PM | 12/04/14
We had Semco windows installed in 1999 and so far have had 3 shatter. I just noticed the third one today. Asked the carpenter who installed them after the first one shattered, he said maybe our 100+ year old home is settling. Since then, 2 more have shattered. After finding the third one, my husband said it is probably the window, so I checked on-line. Anyone else have problems with shattering? I saw one person post that they had similar problem. We have also had problems with leakage--water pouring into our house when driving rain--I believe the contractor fixed it--after about 10 years.

BV006444

08:18PM | 12/04/14
Oh, yes--reading more posts. I posted previously about the 3 shattered windows. We also had all 3 storms (1999) rot out and fall apart. All need to be replaced. Thankfully we did not put Semco storms on all of our 30 windows--only did 3. Put Andersons on the rest, and they are holding up beautifully--unlike the rotted Semcos. When I called them all they told me is that they are not using that type of storm any longer--did not offer any credit on replacement storm or anything else.

BV007574

11:30AM | 04/16/15
I guess that most people who respond or post on these forums have some type of problem. If all those who had positive experiences wrote in it would also be helpful.
I put in SEMCO windows in my new home in 1992. None have leaked and they were installed by the builder. I think poor installation is the problem with most leakage problems. Not to say I haven't had any problems though. After 23 years, all of the hardware on the metal clad casements needs to be replaced. I've raised 4 children and several grandchildren who love to turn the handles.
I would use SEMCO again, but just not use their casements.

BV008265

10:02PM | 07/05/15
In the future, Check all the painted or stained edges of all of your windows and doors to avoid problems like warping or rot. Wood rot is not a factory problem on windows and doors unless the product is furnished as a finished painted or stained product with a warranty. Most wood windows and doors are furnished as raw wood or primer painted wood and needs to be properly finished in the field with paint or stain that has a warranty. If you follow the direction from the paint company. PPG, Pratt & Lambert, Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams their warranty should cover failures. That is why we have paint companies with warranties.

BV008281

08:30PM | 07/06/15
I live in a home that has 19 Semco windows and a Semco sliding patio door. My experience with them is that they leak in more than one place. The winter provides plenty of condensation and
ice when the temperatures gets below 20 degrees. I don't humidify the air. I have one Andersen window above the whirlpool tub which should be the highest humidity location in the home but
it is always the driest window and no leaks.

BV008779

04:27PM | 08/27/15
I'm reading this 6 years after all your posts. I'm a homeowner who knows nothing about windows. I've owned 5 homes. I'm in one now for 7 years, built in 2002 and 1/3 of the windows have rotted sills. All Semco. I've never had a Semco window before and I've never seen rot before.

BV009381

11:48AM | 11/01/15
I have Semco windows and lost the gas seal. Them after 10 years two of them went out about 6 months apart

They are suppose to have a 20 year warranty and so I contacted them. First they didn't want to talk to me as I am not a contractor then after a few calls they owned up to half the cost of the replacement glass as they say they a pro-rated after 10 years which means the warranty is really 10 years as they don't cover any of what it cost to install the glass and by the end of it I spent over $200 to get it completed. It took about 2 months to get the glass replacement as they told me the one person that needs to sign off the warranty went on vacation and it sat on his desk!

Not happy. The second window I simply had the glass company order and install a substitute and it was $125 total

Warranty is non-existent as far as I am concerned

You may be surprised at this complaint but beware I will not be purchasing any more Windows from Semco and I live in Wisconsin and try to keep my business in state. Too bad they don't honor their warranty and have lost my business!


BV010532

05:56AM | 02/16/16
The side interior Delco trim mouldings continue down to far where it cant be seen until removing the piece that hides the crank mech. It hits the seal making it fail. They frost up Where air leaks in winter frost melts and side moldings unfinished on ends wicks water up them thats y youll see black first on the sides them the bottom mech cap absorbs from side mouldings and the sash suffers also. By removing the side mouldings replacing bottom seal and reinstalling new home made side mouldings holding them up from puddle wicking and finishing them on bottom will stop it. Use longer windows mouldings cut to for smaller windows first. I just did 10 12yr old casement black as shit repairs this way and out of 20 mouldings I needed to only make 5 that got cut down for smaller area use. I charged 1700 and it took about 15 hours of my time start to finish. In now using a mailing service to send brochures to the entire 500 home town home complex. Say what you want I've seen them all and such blantant stupidity by a window manufacturer is enough for me to say bye bye. If you ask me note to all manufacturers seal the damn 2cent pine you use around your glass before assembly. All of your seals break down some really fast and how long does it take for pine in water to rot well I sughestbyou go downstairs where your windows were slipped by Painter and look at the bare pine rot its ass off on a 1 yr old window. Screw the air exchanger the condensation on these windows is from a seal that never a say in its life worked. Keep all windows locked with screens on due to both playing a role in sealing air out and shedding water. Tim Hanson thc00765@gmail.com

DWP

04:12PM | 03/14/16
Member Since: 03/14/16
1 lifetime posts
I have been reading the posts about Semco windows. My house was built in about 1999 using Semco windows. I have about 29 double hung. Almost all of them leak in the bottom corners. We started getting spots on the down stairs ceilings. After replacing the roof because of a serious hail storm, I thought the problem would be gone. Not a chance. I then investigated by pulling the side slides back to reveal rotted wood.I can see that the water came in through where the corners join together. We had no glass problems except one stationary window.
I am now replacing them all at a great cost but I am past the warranty period for the frame.
I called Semco but that just told me the warranty was over.
Never again.

BV012696

05:21PM | 08/28/16
Two (2) homes with Semco windows. Both have been problems. I would NEVER recommend this brand, they do NOT stand behind their warranty and how they have remained in business is beyond me. My best guess is they are purchased by irreparable spec home builders.

mw40784

06:21AM | 08/29/16
Member Since: 05/09/16
9 lifetime posts
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BV015092

08:59PM | 11/09/17
My Semco triple pane crank out casements have been a problem since day one for better than 20 years. They are on a bow style, under a 3 foot eave overhang. It is possible, maybe once a year rain may hit the very bottom of the windows during a driving rain from the north in Wisconsin. It is unlikely that rain could get behind the triple pane glass. Is the space between the inner and outer face of the frame insulated and if not, could it be insulated with spray insulation thru access holes from either inside or outside of the frame. Or do I just throw them out and start over.

BV015288

01:34PM | 12/11/17
Add me to the list of people with foggy Semco windows where the seal has failed. How does this company keep making windows where the seal fails? House was built in 2004 with about 45 wood casement windows. About 1/2 have the seal failing and the windows fog up on cool mornings which looks like crap. I can see the same thing has happened to many of my neighbors' windows, as well, so obviously it's a pretty big problem. Since I'm not the original owner, I can't take advantage of the 50% replacement cost warranty (though according to an earlier poster, it's not much of a warranty after all is said and done). Andersen windows in my last house were still going strong after 8 years.

BV015411

10:58AM | 01/04/18
I'm looking at a house to purchase that has Semco windows in it. The home was built in 2004 and I'd say half of the windows have failed. They are foggy thus they don't have the gas anymore. They seem cheap compared to the Simonton windows I put in my current home.

BV018503

08:43PM | 01/24/19
We installed semco windows in our brand new, brick house in 2004. We are now having to replace them ALL! The lifetime warranty , stinks! They sent us 3 new windows (only the unique, oddly shaped ones) crated, but only the glass. No frames, no instalation, no instructions. UGH!!! We have to start all over. WATCH OUT!

Mountain Home

07:46AM | 06/24/19
Member Since: 06/24/19
1 lifetime posts
Has anyone had any experience with Semco's multi slide doors? We recently had them installed and they are leaking into the house. They replaced the sill once already. They can't give us technical drawings???? They said they are made by Slide Works? They don't seem to be able to provide a seal tight sill for this huge exterior door.
Anyone had experience???


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