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RobSacCa

09:19AM | 10/02/03
Member Since: 10/01/03
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OK I am new here and new at painting, but I am going to be painting the exterior of a house I am buying. I have the colors all picked out and am getting ready to do the prep. What is the best way, should I prep it prime it and do one coat or should I do two coats after priming it? So my big question is if I prime do I need one or two coats of paint?

Thanks in advance for your help and advice,

Rob

retisin

04:10PM | 10/03/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
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If your siding is in good shape and all your prep work is done correctly,you should only need 1 coat primer (make sure it is tinted to your paint color)and 1 coat top coat.

MrPaint

04:16PM | 10/03/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
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Check out www.paintquality.com - follow their advice - you can't go wrong.

Mr. Paint

RobSacCa

06:02PM | 10/03/03
Member Since: 10/01/03
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retisin, I've never heard of having the primer tinted to my paint color. What do you mean?

MrPaint

09:37AM | 10/04/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
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Hi.......before you go get carried away with one coat outside (tinting the primer isn't the best idea) - remember this.

A coat of paint - properly applied (which few people rarely do) - is as thick as a piece of newspaper.

Now - does it make sense - considering what paint is exposed to outside - to try and "get away with" one coat?

You are already there - might as well make it two - your job will definitely look better and last longer.

Mr. Paint

retisin

10:20AM | 10/04/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
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You could put 5 coats of paint on it isn't going to make your paint last longer if it did we would just paint without priming.
The primer is sealing and protecting your wood at most the 2nd coat of paint will make it look nicer by making it more even if you painted wrong.
Tinting means they add color to your primer it won't be exact as your paint but it eliminates having more uneeded work of putting 2 coats on.
I do this for a living and we use 1 and 1 and I give a written gurantee for 10 years on my new homes.
Go and see some homes that we do.
pictureperfectpainting.20m.com

RobSacCa

06:26PM | 10/04/03
Member Since: 10/01/03
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Thank you everyone for your help. I power washed the house today and tomorrow I am heading back to do some patching, sanding with a wire brush and a little sanding with a sanding block. Then I plan on priming this week sometime.

You have all been very helpfull, any other advice or suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks,
Rob

5slb6

04:28PM | 10/05/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
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I agree with MR P on this as when you are doing a new house or one that has alot of peeling or is in other wise bad condition, 2 coats of finish over the primer will last longer than 1 coat over the primer. So that way you do not need to tint the primer as 2 coats should cover the primer unless you are using a very dark color an dthen you will need to find a deep base primer and tint it close to th efinish color and apply 2 coats of finish over this.

MrPaint

05:42PM | 10/10/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
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Go 5!! You are right on the money my friend!

Great advice - and thanks for the back up!

Mr. Paint

MrPaint

05:46PM | 10/10/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
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Retisin............I hate to tell you - but you are wrong.

You are right about using a primer - but tinting it to save the second topcoat outside is bad paint science.

Think about it - like I said - a coat of paint is as thick as a sheet of paper - with all that the exterior of a house sees - wouldn't you think that twice the thickness would work better, last longer, be more mildew resistant, etc. ?

Mr. Paint

retisin

01:32AM | 10/11/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
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Sorry Mr.Paint but mildew grows on the outside of your paint from damp and very shaded conditions so you could put as many coats as you want on it would still get mildew just as fast as with 1 coat.
10 years and 500 houses later I still in business and not a 1 failed house yet from a 1 and 1 system.

5slb6

02:46AM | 10/11/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
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I have seen hundreds of new houses painted in my area on the east coast. The best system is 1 coat of either oil or acrylic primer and 2 coats of acrylic semi-gloss finish paint on wood trim. We don't have alot of stained houses here but do have alot of concrete siding with painted trim of either pine or fir. If there is not a enough film build, mildew will grow faster if the conditions are right and it does not have to be in the shade or moist areas as I have seen it grow on the south side of many houses. The better system on the concrete siding is a coat of acrylic primer and a coat of either acrylic semi-gloss or satin house paint.

I have been in the business for 27 years and know from experience that on new work 3 total coats is better than 2 any day. It is the difference between a 3 to 4 year job and 6 to 7 year job. Now there will be paint on the house way longer than this but it will be so broken down as to cause problems down the road. Also people need to check over their houses every spring and fall for problems of cracked paint or loose caulk and take care of those little things then and the total paint job will last longer.

Have a great day.

MrPaint

07:17AM | 10/11/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
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Retesin.........mildewcide in exterior paint is added to help kill mildew. After the paint dries - the mildewcide leaches out over time. The time of this depends on the amount of mildewcide in the first place - how the paint weathers ( parts that get wet a great deal leach the mildewcide out faster) - in any case - after a few years the mildewcide is gone.

Putting on two top coats effectively doubles the amount of mildewcide - and once it is gone provides twice the amount of paint to stand up to weather and the environment.

Mr. Paint

retisin

10:21PM | 10/11/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
5 you are a sales rep,what hands on do you have besides schooling and what you have been taught,how many houses do you paint a year?
That is the most stupidest thing I have heard yet as to mildewcide coming out and lasting longer with 2 coats,WHAT does 1 coat have to go away before the other will work?
NO it will leech out at the same time just in a higher quanity,giving you better protection in the same amount of time just in greater #'s.Are you a working painter MR.Paint or just a handy man?Because it sounds like advice you would read off the can rather than a hands on experinced person.
I would like to see anyone else give written warranty on the work they have done on any kind of home,we stand behind all of the work done as long as prep has been done by us.
10 years with no call backs other than staining log siding and additional work other than the orginal must be doing something right.

MrPaint

11:53AM | 10/12/03
Member Since: 02/03/03
196 lifetime posts
I am a working painter........and a good deal of my advice is from the can - it is amazing what you can find there.

I have been in the business 18 years - making paint - selling paint - painting.

Any written warranty work I have ever done (where the paint company supplied the warranty) was done with two coats. No paint company I know will write a warranty on one.

In any case - it sounds here like we should agree to disagree on this one. We all give some good advice - and we all have our little things we know from experience or training - so - I am done posting on this one.....

See you all on another thread!

Mr. Paint

retisin

03:02PM | 10/12/03
Member Since: 05/19/03
457 lifetime posts
I am a hothead when it comes to this kind of stuff so maybe I owe you an apology on this and sounds good to me to drop this one.

5slb6

03:34PM | 10/12/03
Member Since: 07/28/02
1356 lifetime posts
No I can't apply paint as well as a painter as I don't paint every day but I offer technical advice to the painters that I call on and I have over 200 accounts so I feel that I do know my stuff.

So now I am done with this.



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